LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

This is just speculation on my part and some ideas in general on electric turbos.

Electric turbos have many advantages. They have much less lag and can maintain constant and precise pressures that are controllable via ECU. Also, there is no need to put anything into the exhaust stream, so they make a better sound.

Also, what I really like is that no matter the engine speed, the electric turbo can be turned up or down. Thus the power output is totally tunable on its own.
Since it's separately tunable, the engine could get more power at low RPMs. This is a pretty exciting way of using the same engine displacement to increase performance. Also, since the electric turbo pressure is tunable, it would be possible to tune a very linear power output across any part of the rev range.

My guess is that electric turbos require more advanced engine bay design to protect cable and electric motors from heat. Plus it needs electricity from somewhere Or maybe it's like the MGU-H on F1 cars and uses heat that will be lost. It's motor, which is effectively a generator, could reverse torque and charge batteries. My bet is that implementations will be ala MGU-H.

 

what is the source of this information? from what I heard electric turbos are also run by exhaust gases like traditional turbos

 

Yes you are right that electric turbos can be run by exhaust gases. But in some implementations they can be powered directly by electrical power coming from a hybrid system. Electrical motor spins the turbine<->compressor shaft directly in this case.

 

Okay, I see my error in how and what I wrote. Wrongly ordered sentences.

The electric turbo doesn't need to have MGU-H driven by exhaust gases. It can be powered directly by an electrical feed, like a battery in a hybrid system. In this method, there is no change to sound. Consistent, scalable, linear pressure control allows reduced lag, more boost, and tunable performance regardless of engine speed/exhaust flow. Lower weight than MGU-H, and lower complexity, and a better sound as well.

If an MGU-H is used, the complexity increases in engine bay design/etc. Sound is likely affected. Ferrari has been doing a fantastic job, as seen in the 296.

The major advantage over just having an electric turbo system is that it can contribute to energy recovery/storage as it is a power production system. Trading off this vs. sound. Also important is the fact that MGU-H produces energy for the hybrid system as well. It's the basis of F1 KERS, as I understand it. So, an MGU-H is a turbo-compressor type plus the energy scavenging system of the exhaust to drive the compressor. Or divert it to battery charging or whatever else needs electrical power.

 

Just curious but why push/pull suspension? Why not push all around, like 499P?

Also, not sure if this has been mentioned here already, but is F250 the expected to have electric drive at the front axle, also like the 499P?

 

Marketing strategy..
Is Ferrari needs marketing strategy to sell his Halo car now ?

 

If it looks like the render yes they will lol.

 

They could always sell an additional carbon disguise panel kit.

 

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Final wheels

 

nice pics to compare with latest much more revealing test car.

 

Yes, just an early development mule. But at least it’s carrying the final design wheels, relieved of their all-black anonymity disguise by the blue masking tape to reveal all the detail of what is really a very nice, detailed wheel design. This exactly proves:

1/ that so many more details of the car itself are not evident yet but when revealed will show just how intricately detailed the forms are

2/ black wheels just don’t add anything to a car, they just create the illusion of a car floating on 4 black holes.

 

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There’s been a lot written about this new car being inspired by the F40–and that argument can certainly be made seeing the car—but I believe there is also some F50 influence, either coincidentally or planned: there wheels, the side window/door rear pillar shape, and almost horizontal shoulder at the belt line of the doors and rear fenders.

 

Why, they are disappointed by the lack of collective excitement around the V6

 

Kidding ?

 

Exactly what I thought.
This F250 thread was created on December 24, 2019, and to date is only 135 pages long.
The F167 thread "812 Replacement Rumors" was created 1.5 years later, on June 29, 2021, and was on page 343 when the first images of the 12Cilindri appeared on May 2, 2024.
This shows the colossal difference in interest and excitement between a turbocharged V6 and a naturally aspirated V12.

 

No one can deny this lesser interest for V6TT…I hope they counter this with V12 Icona sooner than expected…


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Thanks for your input, to be correct I didn't state that having a body colored roof wasn't possible. Manzoni overseeing TM proposals before they are greenlit is not something that a customer is inclined to be informed of either directly or indirectly.

Here is my XX Spider spec. This was done at the dealer, during which he said that if this was at the Atelier, the staff would push back on the body colored roof. I saw another full colored SF90 XX Spider in red sitting for delivery at another dealer about a month ago.

For the 12C I have been told that there are parts of the car which are not possible to order body colored.

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That shows nothing. Take a look at the SP3 thread...

 

There will also be thousands more 12c owners then there will be of the F250. Which could be the reason why there are a lot more people invested in the "812 Replacement Rumors" thread.

 

Which SP3 thread? The one in the Icona section is from the release onwards. Unfortunately, the thread from when SP3 was in development was lost when the sections were changed.

 

Based on this reasoning, why did the LaFerrari development thread - "THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread" - have 333 pages in less than a year? (June 6, 2012 - March 14, 2013)

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The F250 thread has 135 pages in more than four and a half years.

 

I think this time this thread is shorter because there has been less insider info input.. Look how day355's shared infos fuelled discussion in f167 thread.. How he was enthusiastic about the design..etc etc.. That really created a greater hype.. But the 167 design came out disappointing for majority of the people in this forum

 

There are now also far more models along with the Icona series which dilutes the overall online interest. It feels like there is either a VS or Icona model being launched every year.

 

Well to be fair, even with a remarkable F250 ,V6 won’t never be as attractive compared with a NA V12..
All the marketing campaigns led by Ferrari won’t change this objective fact.