LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

How they will play this one is beyond me.
If only it weighs a lot less than normal say dry weight 1200ish, then it surely can have a strong case….

Still no V12 but enough to make the car outstanding every other way.

Lol… no way this can be that light… right? Just dreaming…


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1500 minimum but looking at the current prototype could easily 100 - 200 more

 

Who remembers Ferrari’s Millechilli concept from 2007 which pre-dated LaFerrari? 1,000kg is really the stuff of dreams now we have moved so far away from it - although GMA T.50 achieved it with a V12 - so not impossible if you put your mind to it.

The concept of lightweight has pretty much disappeared when current F1 cars weight 798kg.


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and there was the green machine too

 

Will they ever build another rear mid engined v12?.. Lets see.. V12 900 hp.. High rpm.. Carbon tub sensual looking..?? They ought to do it..

 

The current model F140 is over 20 years old and they do not have a new one in the works

 

So you’re saying there will be people offered a car that won’t take one? Hmmm. Doubt much. These cars will all be offered and bought to and by exactly who Ferrari and its dealers want it to be bought by.

 

Its who the factory decides who gets an invite to purchase not the dealers. Yes Ferrari has hand picked them and most will buy a few won't and if some of the rumors are true, there are a few that are unhappy on the no V12 and others are concerned with the render as many on the invite list have not seen it yet

 

Didn’t they just do it with the SP3?

 

Exactly!

 

No, there is a list proposed to dealers and a conversation follows. Dealer and factory must agree that the criteria are met (you have the cars you say you have, no funny business etc.)

Can’t speak about rumours but all the people that will get a car from our dealer are only too happy to take it.

 

2022. V12, 829hp, 9250rpm, 1485kg dry the V12 is at end of line and Ferrari still have a weight issue

 

He said nothing about weight. Only high power V12, carbon tub, mid-engined, good looking.

The F250 is a V6 Hybrid, like all the important race cars of the last 10 years. There has never been a Ferrari hypercar in that format. We all love V12s, but there are also other things, other experiences. V12s add weight so not everything about them is ideal. I would estimate that 99% of Ferrari customers don’t only love the V12 engine when it comes to Ferrari. Put it this way, an ugly, slow, poor quality, bad handling Ferrari V12 would not sell. The V12 is undeniably iconic. It just isn’t everything, there are other things like performance, beauty, technical skill, handling, aerodynamics. And given Enzo’s motto of the last car being the best, that would mean he went to his grave thinking that a V8 Turbo was the best road car possible. He clearly saw a place for other formats in a more modern world.

 

The whole point of carbon tub is reduced weigh. and those spec are not high power anymore.

I love the f40 and I love the 499P so I am ok with seeing where Ferrari take the V6TT Hybrid but I am concern with its possible weight overall as well as power to weight. If some are right and the render is basically the car. It will be the ugliest non looking Ferrari, Ferrari. If they wanted a new direction on design language they could have done so much better. yes there is a lot of Aero but there are many beautiful hyper cars currently and come that have aero and design down to a artform. and now Ferrari has Apple designing there 2 EV if some changes don't happen soon Ferrari will be in real trouble

 

Unfortunately, Ferrari is in a different mindset these days.
The dude wants to build an electric crossover...

 

The board want to milk Ferrari for every drop. selling (SUV, EV etc etc) to make $$$ but where will Ferrari be in 5 - 10 years once milked dry

 

need more that type.....

 

need more that type.....

 

the only way they can play it, with extreme track performance and lap times - that's the only real point of this car

 

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double s-duct of kc23.. i like this car..
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It‘s funny how critical everyone is. There is the opportunity that the new hypercar is based on a two times LeMans winning race car! That alone will bring the F250 in the history books. Even if it had a 3 cylinder engine.
At the moment there are so many (great!) 12 or even 16 cylinders out there. Why should Ferrari do the same as everyone else (or to be honest, the same as they did for all their hypercars for the last 30 years …)
Also I think Manzoni did really a fantastic job. He accomplished to find a new design language for Ferrari that is not „retro“ but modern, sometimes edgy and controversial but, what is more important for me, exciting and sometimes surprising. The last Pininfarina designs were a okay but it was a good move to change directions. I can‘t wait to see the final F250

 

Typical fchat, denigrating a new car even before it has been releases. Some things never change around here.

 

I would agree. I only started coming to the "big five" section of FChat once this type of car was on my radar. Before this, and not being an owner of one of these cars, I never poked around here. I think a lot of FC people stay in the threads of the type of car they own, or are looking to own and see obtainable.

This is a very unobtainable Ferrari area.

 

The F250 needs to be a car of the future, not a car of the past. I do love my V12's but I would expect this car to move forward in powertrain, as well as any and all automotive leading F1 and Hypercar racing innovations. Remember, Ferrari was not built as a V12 company, it was built as a race car company. They used V12 at the time because they felt they were the best options for power/weight in a race car. But let's not forget in 1950 Ferrari raced inline 4 cylinder engines as they were light and worked well on tracks with a lot of turns.

Their halo cars were meant to represent the factories pinnacle of achievement and thinking at the time they were released. A bit of an Opus for the factory at this very specific time, and a V12 does not represent where powertrain's are in racing.

The Icona series is perfect for a V12, as is their front engine GT car, but a bad choice for a "race car of the future".

We should all be excited to see how they incorporate their latest race technology into a street car, this is their true heritage, going back to the first passenger cars Ferrari built and sold. Up to and beyond the addition of the V12 Colombo engines being races and sold in passenger cars, this was Enzo's vision. The F40 reference as the last halo car Enzo oversaw did not have a V12 for this exact reason.

IMHO this car will be 100% focused on Ferrari flexing their F1/Hypercar knowledge and packaging all of it into a usable street car that is exciting and thrilling to drive, in a way only Ferrari seams to be able to capture.

 

Pure automotive art!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!