LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

And last point, why is there so much hate based on "speculation", sit back, have a chat in this form, but wait to see the car, i'm sure it will blow you all away.

 

Fully agree with these last posts and fully disagree with your stance. Ferrari has to change with the times. Supercar makers who don’t do that get taken over, bought out, their brand and culture the right of someone else to control. Ferrari has basically had Enzo, Luca and John Elkann. There is a thread there and it shows. There have been many occasions where people who thought they knew what Ferrari was/is get forced to rethink and Ferrari goes from strength to strength. Why? Because they know what they are about. Racing and building exotic performance road cars relevant to an ever-changing customer base living in ever-changing times, and setting a clear design direction as they do.

You may not like added weight - necessary for added power - but in today’s world, if you are to make the new hypercar 10 years newer and quicker than the brilliant LaFerrari, then you do that in the best way you know how. Through knowledge learned from racing.

The current ‘Apple’ lot as you call them, have presided over a reintroduction to WEC racing and Le Mans after 50 years, winning twice in succession. They are not doing as well as we would like in F1 but there is clear progress with the building blocks being put in place, financing the largest new model introduction and new modern powertrain introduction that Ferrari (or any supercar producer) has ever seen, an introduction of the FUV product type - demanded by the market and delivered in Ferrari’s own style. There is much more. But the essence is that Ferrari is managing this supremely well and will not suffer financially for it. The brand is evolving in terms of product but remaining consistent in terms of what is stands for. It still stands for what it always stood for when you look carefully enough and without personal bias.

I have a 2-year old grandson who has known the difference between a Ferrari and a Porsche since he was 1. Guess what he will want to drive when he is able to? And no doubt the cars that are produced in the next few years, including the F250, will be on his wall. Relevant, mega performance, wild looking. When he’s 12, he won’t be talking about weight but performance, appearance, F1, Le Mans etc. His parents will drive him around in an electric car but he will dream about that F250 hybrid. And who knows, he and his friends might even find something interesting in Ferrari’s EV. But if he doesn’t, there will be plenty of e-petrol burning hybrids for him to dream about.

History always proves those who think things should stand still as out of touch. They never do.

 

I think there is a real question about how the car will be received... even if marketing will come out with big means...
The objective is to make the engine pill go down by making the link with the 499 and the F1... but a pity, because on the other side there is this:

I buy a Valkyrie 1000 times on an F 250, even if the car is useless, as long as it has a soul !!!!!


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Frankly, we should make a statue to LCM, because without it Ferrari would today belong to an investment fund, like McLaren.
He had a clear vision and knew what he was talking about. This is not really the case today.
Wait until you see the EVs to laugh a little... and the rest of the range, mostly V6 TT hybrid, as noble as a can of green beans... it's true that it makes me dream...

 

And the only thing that gives a car a soul is a V12 engine? Sounds so strange to me, but what do I know.

 

Guess we should notify the owner of this amazing 1957 Testarossa that this 4 cylinder car has no soul. Not to mention everyone who owns an f40.

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Ferrari EV will be a real shame for the brand..

 

To elaborate a little, the nobility of an engine comes from its NA character.
The TT is the opposite of the nobility of an engine, because it is easier to gain power without any effort of engineering with it, than in an NA.
Secondly, the more cylinders it has, the better.8 Cylinders still passes, but 6 ... seriously, we're not at Porsche or BMW...
And to conclude, the entire history of Ferrari is linked to the V12.
Afterwards, we can always try to rewrite reality, but it doesn't work.
After that, maybe we'll stop telling each other stories and let marketing tell us about them, it's cheaper to use an existing V6 than to develop a new V12 !!!

 

Is that really true? The Valkyrie’s creator was not fully happy with it and it seems to be very inaccessible in terms of use. I wouldn’t buy a Valkyrie but would certainly buy an F250, which I expect to have most of the V’s performance but much more usability. I also like the link to the 499P which is now a classic and iconic car. This car’s legend will be in the mind in 30 years’ time or more.

The V has no such pedigree and what would you do with one, really?

 

It is also unusable on the open road given the power. So even if I have to do some acceleration in a straight line, personally, I would prefer to do them to the sound of the Cosworth V12, whose manufacturer is also intimately linked to the history of F1 in the best years, not to the current NETFLIX show, at the time when it was still a sport...
And personally, I dream of seeing the Valkyrie do the same thing as the McLaren F1 cars, even if the chances are slim...

 

What a sound..

 

Valkyrie is one of the most pointless cars of all time. A road car that can barely be driven on normal roads. I much prefer the GMA T.50 approach.

 

I think I agree with that, although there’s something that would hold me back from the GMA cars despite really admiring the clarity of thought and the excellence of design. Can’t quite put my finger on it and I have a suspicion that the brave ones who have ordered one might end up being very pleased about it.

 

I would agree, but I think both cars are brilliant in the way that they stick to an uncompromised vision of what the car should be. One is a pureblooded race car, the other is the ultimate driver's car. If Ferrari is diluting the enjoyment of it being a road car by adding all this race car tech, it better be a track monster. If it tries to be somewhere in between the two extremes I feel it will be lukewarm, especially if it doesn't turn out to be a beautiful car.

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A new one from Derek

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The T.50 is a feat of engineering but it doesn’t have the drama or presence of a Ferrari in the flesh.


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Reminds me diablo lol

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I find the styling stale and uninspired. And the fan thingy is just silly.

 

Real car is better than photo. Still fan thingy is silly. Also the silver exhaust box underneath is let down too.


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As you can see these panels are not the final ones the arrows shoo the lip of the panel
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lets see in 20225 how the valk lmh performs against the 499p or others...