430 Engine Oil: High copper content.

Anyone had this from an oil sample test?

My 430 oil is 60ppm copper.

Cause unknown, any suggestions?

Thanks.

 

How did you get oil.sample..was in the middle of a drain ?



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It would also help if you tell us how many miles on car and and on oil ..360 or 430

If you attach the report ..even better ..just blackout your personal info

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Think his title says 430. But yes you can get a smaple during a drain and send out.

 

That wasn't my question ..I do it all the time.on my cars ..my question (sorry not clear) was if the sample was taken in the middle of the drain or in the beginning...the reason is if taken right from the beginning he may have gotten containments from the crush washer ..just a theory


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Gotcha

 

My guess, big end bronze bearings. Check for weak oil pressure, 1st symptom.

 

Why do oil tests? What are you going to do based on the tests other than maybe change brands or oil weight?

 

F430. 35k miles. Oil pressure is normal.

I assume the sample was taken at the correct point as these are experienced testers.

Copper reading is 60ppm after 1,500-mile use interval from new oil

But only 20ppm after 600-mile use interval from new oil.

Previously, at 30k miles the reading was around 10ppm copper.

No change in any other wear readings. (ie iron)

Questions: Do Ferrari dealers or independent service specialists undertake these oil tests on F430’s routinely?

What I’d like to know is has anyone else had this and what was the cause & remedy?

The car is running 100% & has had comprehensive routine servicing.

Thanks.

 

Show us the oil report, I shared mine .. what is their comment? I got 8 ppm last time and 12ppm a year back. Amsoil and Redline respectively.

 

Do the main or rod bearings have a copper layer within? If you haven't thrown out the old oil filter I'd cut it open to inspect.

 

I don't have knowledge of how Ferrari rod bearings are built; but my M3 had very high copper content and one of the lower bearings was a goner. I changed my rod bearings just in time to save the engine... I caught it with a Blackstone oil analysis. I would not drive the car anymore with such high copper content; but I am not familiar with what else is copper in Ferrari (not much apart from valve guides in BMW).

EDIT: I just want to add that engine can feel very strong and normal (it still has good compression and all, so power and general running/startup is not affected) , but when you hear that main rod knock... it's gone.

 

What was ppm of the copper vs normal.on the bmw

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I just looked at the report; copper was twice the average for the engine/miles, but lead (outside layer of rod bearings in M3) was 4 times the average, which was suspect for rod bearings ( and it was). Here is their comment:

Lead was 27ppm (average of 7) and copper was 5 (average of 2)

Copper, lead, and tin are the metals that show bearing wear for the S65 engines used in the E92 M3. Universal averages show typical wear after ~5,000 miles on the oil. Copper is a little high, and lead is abnormal. Lead is from the outermost layer of the bearings, and if that babbitt layer has worn through, copper could also be from bearings. Copper can be from other bronze parts, too, like valvetrain bushings. Monitor for low oil pressure or unusual noise, and follow up on bearing wear in only 1K miles. Neither the thin viscosity nor the trace of fuel is very cautionary.

 

I would take a sample.myself and retest and not rely on someone doing it for me
.too.many variables

That is what I understand from OP
.and monitor it



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High copper, I believe, is usually associated with bearing wear. At the least, you might try a different brand of oil and see if that helps.