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Discussion in 'Australia' started by scud, Jan 29, 2009.

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  1. Steve355F1

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    Fixed
     
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  3. IanB

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    I would be very happy to own a 3 litre Carrera, black with tartan upholstery please :)
     
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  4. simon klein

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  6. carl888

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    It was never intended as a rally competitor. It was developed for circuit racing. It was also driven by Walter Rohrl as you claim, he drove one at Le Mans in 1981 and came 7th. With Juergen Barth. The race was won by Porsche, with the 936 driven by Jacky Ickx and Derek Bell.....with a car that Porsche pulled out of their museum.

    Moving back a year to 1980, the 924 also competed in Le Mans, the following occurred:

    6th Manfred Schurti, Juergen Barth
    12th Tony Dron, Andy Rouse
    13th Derek Bell, Al Holbert

    The 924 also won the IMSA GTO class in 1981 and the IMSA GT class in 1982. The race cars used the standard production block, heads, connecting rods and crankshaft.

    The 924 engine was never a van engine originally. It was developed by Audi first, used in the 924, then it ended up in a van.
     
  7. carl888

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    He was! Anyway, let's ask Ian again about his 924 thoughts.

    Oh hang on, Maybe Derek Bell might be better:

     
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  8. carl888

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    That is just hysterical. I cannot wait to see you at our next event in one, to that specification :D
     
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  9. mrar

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    Good clip, thanks for posting enjoyed the stories.
    Sounds like you better buy the one on carsales carl.
    Drive it first though, see what you think?
     
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  10. IanB

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    Lots of revisionism there Carl. I have some 924 background because I was there when it all happened. Photo attached of a young hipster at the Porsche factory :)

    I'm sorry, the whole point of Group 4 was rally - it was the most popular form of motorsport everywhere in Europe. Hard to imagine now, but more people discussed rally results and went to events than follow F1 today. Group 4 circuit racing was all but forgotten by the late 1970's - they were support events and a minor class at endurance races.

    You can get away with prodigious turbo lag in circuit racing, because you know the corner layout. Lag doesn't work in rallies. The 924 turbo and Carrera had the worst turbo lag of any car I've experienced, apart from an Audi 200 - which used the same engine. The plan would have been quickly revised to avoid embarrassment and go circuit racing. Group 4 circuit cars were substantially modified. Nobody would confuse a Zakspeed Capri with the showroom version, but it did use the standard production block.

    The 924 was planned as a VW sports car. It was built by VW in a former Audi factory. The engine had been around for many years in the Audi 100, a boring and characterless car. The 924 also used the transaxle from an Audi 100, again slow and ponderous to use. The turbo versions felt quick only because you waited so long for the power to arrive.

    The Porsche badge carried a lot of weight in Australia and too many of our local cars were much worse, so the 924 had some cache here, but it's still just a glorified VW, with or without a turbo.
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  11. kerrari

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    We agree on something - Porsche 924 is boring as hell! My husband had one in HK (bought on the basis of '4 seats' :rolleyes:) but he flipped it after just a few months.
    There was always a race to use my car (Fiat X1/9) in preference! I wish I'd brought the X1/9 back to Aus...
     
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    But what about those seats [emoji16]


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    Whilst I haven't experienced the examples you've given,the SAAAB 99 Turbo was falling asleep slow....but when it did fire FOIK ME!
     
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  14. IanB

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    My Indy car is similar and it took me several years to learn how to keep it on boost all the time. The microsecond transition from nothing to everything is what sends you backwards into the scenery.
     
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  17. IanB

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    I suspect 930's are safely past the point of no return for silly money, like 246 Dinos.
     
  18. IanB

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    I must say that steel 308GTB's are looking well undervalued now.
     
  19. greg246

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    Mondials too
     
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    In 20 years when 360’s are $500k and there’s 20 left standing in Australia, the haters will rue the day they didn’t buy a $120k “cheap to run” Ferrari


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    less us pray..while I am trying to source a cheap manual 360modena...
     
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    Dreamin'
     
  23. greg246

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    Grow up
     
  24. Horse

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    I expect more from you Greg.
     
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  25. knocker

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    Fair enough, money’s tight you never know, in 20 years no one will care, all aluminium body, flat plane crank 5 valve engine with titanium conrods, buy any, low ball anything [emoji12]


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