LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

Is it close enough to 2027 to be able to call it the F80?

 

Why this desire to try to legitimize a product at all costs... it just means that in fact he doesn't have it...
You are a big enthusiast, and you know deep down that buying a car just for your lap times in Fiorano on a slick tire with a commercial packaging, and also... is ultimately of no interest. Why do you absolutely want to convince yourself of the contrary at all costs ?
Maybe it's time to get out of the car delirium faster, and to give back its place to the essential: emotion !!!

 

I totally agree ….. plain simple F80 …. Or peek a cheeky F80LM is my prediction . There , said it , my prediction , with conviction ( but no actual knowledge )- my prediction is that it will be called the F80LM- we will know in about 61/2 weeks …

 

I believe it is a delusion of reality to believe turbos and electric motors are not there to help the V6 move the car; further, each adds its own layer of complexity as well. The engine block is not a 'helper', it is the engine.

 

New thought, and I know this is a place to chat, but I think if you do not have firsthand knowledge and experience in what you are chatting about your opinion might only be worth your experience. Therefore I suggest getting experience, buying Ferrari's, driving and owning the cars if you want to speak with authority about their driving experience and passion.

My F8, Roma, 296 all have every bit as much Ferrari feel and passion as my Competizione, they are just different cars in their own right. You do not need a V12 for driving feel, performance, excitement and passion. The current V12 is great for particular models, like the Icona series, or a front engine GT car, but its a bad powertrain for a "race car", that is why race cars do not have V12's anymore.

Progress lives in the future, not the past, that is why the F250 will be a car of the future, not the past, time to move on...

I can guarantee you that every review of the F250 once launched will rave about its "Ferrariness" and speak highly about how the V6 feels and sounds, the car will set a NEW standard, not regurgitate an old one.

F1 runs V6, and the cars sound amazing, if you have not heard an F1 car in person, may I also suggest you visit an F1 race and experience it firsthand.

If you are an enthouest you should love the fact that at the same time Ferrari is still making V12's, they are also ushering in the future, this makes them unique.

Progress is exciting and how Ferrari will continue to provide thrilling cars into the future.

To quote Enzo "the best Ferrari ever built is the next one"

 

I don't know if this message is addressed to me, so before answering I would like you to confirm it ?

 

He doesn’t have what? Please clarify, do you mean I don’t have what?


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Be nice for this chat to have more info on F250 rather than whether or not it should exist and in what format. Happy to have those discussions but trying to guess what they might have done with it is more interesting. Whatever any of us believes, this is a seminal moment for the car world. We’re about to meet a legend - whether we believe it will be famous or infamous.

 

Not addressed to anyone specifically, just the general group of individuals on this chat that are so adamant that the only good Ferrari is a V12.

 

Ferrari gave you a v12 hypercar...(based the price & Looks)... 2 years ago...named daytona sp3. Before that they gave you monza... I think recently the definition of limited edition supercar/hypercar has changed dramatically. We dont know what next coming.. May be more limited edition na v12 cars..who knows.. Just leave this car alone...

 

Sorry, I don’t understand what you mean just leave this car alone? Don’t buy it, don’t discuss it, don’t speak negatively about, thanks?


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I guess he ment the 3 meaning you mentioned: don't speak negatively

 

sorry but neither mentioned , monza or SP3 are not hypercars. Last one was LaF, then 10 years till f250

 

Why would SP3 not be a hypercar? If a Utopia is a hypercar, why not an SP3?

I know it’s been done before but definition of a hypercar must be about drama, rarity, tech. SP3 has a fully carbon body from the LaF aperta (a definite hypercar), the most powerful n/a V12 engine Ferrari ever produced, and very dramatic looks. What more could it do to be labelled a hypercar?

 

Think before you comment. Space is not the problem why ? Because the F250 was always designed to have a V6 engine.

 

lol twisting the view and facts does not make it so.

Lets get back to the real world. V12 6.5L NA Vs V6 3.0L TT. V6 is smaller, both in block and literage size, Loads of power in part from the TT its weights less, better fuel efficiency, less emissions, reduce noise level. last 2 are major factors in making a road legal car now days. We are talking Halo so this was always going to be Hybrid regardless of V12 or V6 engine. So in reality this is how you design on an engineering level a small powerful engine. Look at all the F1 tricks that Ferrari have added to the V12 over the years you could call them helpers and they add more complexity. in fact more complexed than a turbo. Label it how you will but almost everything you add to any engine could be labelled a helper. But lets live in the real road with real terms not silly words like helper. Helper is a label that holds no detail or value. I'm not going around in cycles done on this one.

 

the F50 was the last of that naming model its long gone. They cant use F1 as Mac took it so could be as simple as Ferrari Le Man and follows after ENZO and LaFerrari

 

Let get off these silly side distraction discussions.
and Derek and his Camera are here to help get our focus back.

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Agree 100%
The SP3 is based on the LaF Aperta, so by definition it is a hypercar. Lots of people wanted a LaF without batteries, that is what it is and at the end of the day it has better performance than an Enzo which is a hypercar. It certainly commands hypercar prices in the secondary market which ultimately is the most reliable judge of all.
The fact that Ferrari doesnt have it as a successor to the LaF doesn’t mean much as competitors don’t have an Icona series to compare with

On the F250, I think we all have questions on shape, V6 engine, big aero for the first time, sound, weight, ultimate performance. It is normal as this is Ferrari’s “once in a decade statement”. It might help to keep in mind that initial impressions on big Ferraris tend to fade after a few years and cars become coveted as Ferrari expected them to.
I was somewhat disappointed to see the 288GTO when it was launched as it looked too much like a 308. It is still one of the very best cars I have driven & owned and I wish I still did. I was shocked with the looks of the F40 as it was a departure from the Ferrari norm up to that time. 1300+ cars later (unheard of for a hypercar) we now know it is one of the greatest cars ever made. Virtually no one liked the F50 when it was launched. For a while it was really cheap to buy…Now it commands a premium over all other hypercars and having driven it it is one of the most exhilarating experiences on 4 wheels. The Enzo was probably the only one that had huge support from the start, but the LaF had mixed reviews on its styling, use of batteries etc. I only got to own one much later but I love it more than all my cars, I use it regularly and it would take a lot of effort to make me sell it.

I suspect the F250 will be the same…Lots of controversy to start with, shifting as soon as people see it in the metal, shifting more once Chris Harris, Catchpole, Sutcliffe and the like get to drive it and when impressions from owners start being reported here and ultimately becoming one of the all-time greats.



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Nothing to consonate with you, I was talking about 250 and I meant that by wanting to give it absolutely a status and qualities that it does not have because of its construction, to legitimize it, is in fact to admit that it has no legitimacy ( the car ).
250 should have been a concept close to the Valkyrie (but more usable) with a new V12 with hybrid, not a big and heavy car in the category, with a 296 recycled engine.

 

The SP3 Daytona is an amazing Supercar. Hyper-car term was used to describe the Hybrid Holy Trinity. Then that included cars such as the koenigsegg jesko etc
The SF90 xx is a hypercar. The SP3 maybe made up of a lot of the La Ferrari hard wear But its only 829 hp to that 950hp and with no Hybrid Motor, batteries etc it still weights 3274lb Dry vs that Wet on The LaFerrari. Its also designed to be more beautiful than optimized aero efficiency. same goes for outright performance is not a main focus like it was for LaFerrari either. With that said its top level in the Supercar class of today.

 

I would say the Valkyrie is really a track toy where the F250 was always going to be a Road legal Halo car

 

As you know the history of Ferrari is closely related to its V12. So, when you make a flag carrier and you move away from your genes by recycling to maximize profits, you shouldn't be surprised by the reactions...

 

It is between two chairs, but they can be credited with starting from a blank sheet of paper over 10 years. The 250 didn't even require half the time, hence the result...

 

What do you want to know exactly ?