No. That’s not it. They’ve clearly stated that with aluminum still being a metal if a car is wrecked you can find the damage easily and with CF it’s more difficult to determine if the structure is compromised.
Who wants a repaired aluminum sub-frame Ferrari? I wreck a McLaren or I wreck a Ferrari, I would replace both.
When Apple stopped shipping headphones with their phones they claimed it was to reduce the weight of packages and save the environment. This claim is equally funny.
No This is Cream with a cherry on the top Ferrari are making so much its insane as for hating the Battery Its the same couple on the board that are wanting the cream and cherry loving the battery
I imagine a meeting about lightening the cars would go as so. Employee enters board meeting: “I have a way we can take 150kg out of our entire range” BOD “Go on” employee “we introduce full CF Chasis to our range. It will improve dynamics of every vehicle. Make them significantly quicker. Eliminate all scuttle shake for convertibles. It will be fantastic for our customers. We’re currently making record profits and I believe now would be the time to invest in the future of our platforms. While we’d sacrifice some profits for a few years we’d be able to capitalize the investment and it would solidify our position for a decade + to come as the performance brand among an increasingly stretched and informed consumer”. BOD “You said sacrifice profits….get out”
This is the same board that Publicly fired the head of V12 and then someone also tried to kill the C12. Most on the board no nothing about Cars or even have a passion for them its all about $$$$$$$$$$ they are Milking Ferrari Dry and destroying everything Enzo and LDM created
Using aluminium is a strategic decision, for better or for worse. Ferrari developed a new aluminium platform a few years ago, sinking about a billion Euros in it. Thus, it is neither a cheap, nor an easy solution. Ferrari is spendind about 30% of their budget in R&D, the highest percentage in the industry! It shows in the way their cars perform and drive.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/news/a17912/aluminum-dreams/ They did say it, 12 years ago! Lol At this point the lack of more extensive composites is embarrassing.
Being in an accident with a carbon tub vs aluminum - changed my mind as the aluminum absorbs impact in a completely different way. Battery tech is going to change dramatically. Within a few years look where it's gone and see where it's going. You didn't take the time to learn about battery tech - if you did you would see why Ferrari Lambo Mac Aston Porsche all are going there - not a choice. Owning Senna 765LT both all carbon exposed cars - trust me I get it and McLaren's P1 vs 918 LaFerrari massive weight differences but it did not equate to performance. Lambo is slower than SF90 5 years later so the Ferrari bashing is more talk than walk. I like Lambo but it's always been a slower porky competitor but offers a lot of dramatics which is a ton of fun, All I was saying is Ferrari an F1 team knows how to build fast cars - they wouldn't be building hybrid / electric if they didn't feel it was their future. But please go ahead and tell us that you know more than Ferrari Lambo Mac Aston Porsche. You don't have to hate one brand to like another, they all go about things differently. Learn about battery performance - engineer in college vs one with grease under their fingernails. Love engines mechanics etc but it's not the future and cars aren't getting slower. The next gen is always faster - it's how they sell cars.
If Carbon was so poor a choice (which it’s not) Ferrari wouldn’t use them for its top of the line models (LAF, LAF Aperta, SP3, etc.). It would use aluminum period as it’s the proper solution. The only logical reason to not use it across platform is cost. When they’re cheapening out and making nearly 50% gross on every car they sell to customers, that’s bad. also, just drive an F8 spider vs 720/765 spider. Same years of production. It’s shocking (and embarrassing) the difference in rigidity. Ferrari is still my fav manufacturer, but it’s funny how certain people on here, who I’m sure are serious people in real life given how amazingly successful they’ve been, get blinded when it comes to criticizing this brand. Ferrari is doing some amazing things, let’s applaud, and some not, let’s recognize
They’ve also said the ‘weight savings’ weren’t really there between the two. I’d like to know more about their case studies. Regardless, I don’t think all of their models should be CF tubs and I don’t think all owners want every model to be CF tub. Ferrari had a valid point. How many Cf tub cars are hiding damage.
If you look at the auto OEM’s that are on the forefront of next gen battery tech, lightness is not in the cards. Solid state batteries are either a pipe dream or decades out, as is dramatically extended range. They’re all just trying to figure out how to produce them cheaper lol. Such is the way of things I guess. The weights of these behemoths going into production right now, new M5, Reveulto, Merc Hybrids, etc. are shocking. I actually think the opposite, and that most cars will just get heavier and heavier until some regulation that shows how tire degradation is more harmful than engine emissions forces manufactures to change.
Is your laptop heavier or lighter than the prior - does the battery last longer or shorter. Some cars will get heavier like the new Rolls - due to their customers range and comfort. Weights are shocking for exotics but that's been consistent for decades and the customers don't care like the ones who aren't their customers. I never thought I'd buy a hybrid - fast forward the SF90 cured that.
I think you’re missing the fact that not all carbon is the same. There are many different variations. McLaren uses a faster and cheaper to manufacture carbon setup for their cars- they have to because they need a process that works with their desired volume. It’s closer to what BMW used in the i8. The carbon in the Ferrari hypercars is lighter and stronger (per unit of mass) and it is also more expensive to build. It is simply not suited for mass production. If McLaren used the same setup that Ferrari uses in their hypercars, their cars would be even lighter. The surprise to me is the average weight savings for the effort of the carbon tub. It’s about 225lbs on average, the best I can work out. Back in the days of cars like the 430Scuderia, that was a lot. But nowadays, cars have to carry so much more equipment, which all adds weight, and thus, have so much more power, this weight savings doesnt really seem as worth it. As to batteries etc, its not exactly to my preferences, but the world keeps changing, the car companies are in business to sell cars, and it seems to me they know what they are doing, especially Ferrari. (Forgetting all of this and just driving a SF90 or 296, I cant help but to be astounded by how well its integrated- and to the point from Coccolocco above, it will only get better) Sent from my iPad using FerrariChat
The only reason why Ferrari doesn't use a carbon bathtub is the cost. The LAF shell and the SP3 come from Dallara. No reason to reduce margins, customers buy. The other marketing excuses are for the kids... same for the haptics, no one likes it but they will amortize the investment cost before changing it, and it is certain of us who swallow the pill.
Jo Sta7, post: 149795579, member: 185505"]It’s called profit margin.[/QUOTE] You believe if Ferrari costs of a car went up they would make less - that's funny. I've been in a crash at 25mph and totaled the tub. Now imagine the vibration incurred to my arms neck etc vs an aluminum that folds on impact. It's a major reason I got away from CF tubs, at one time thought like you. It's a personal preference and there are arguments both ways - no one is right or wrong. I trust a weld more. than a bolt
