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Checo has had some very uncharacteristic accidents in the last few years. I wonder if he struggled with the supposed illegal braking system, and Max could adapt to it easier. I seem to remember several of Checo’s shunts were under braking where he just seemed to lose the car inexplicably. He certainly wasn’t prone to that stuff earlier in his career.

 

Dutch GP: Max Verstappen says Red Bull have 'no clear answer' to improve 'slow car' at Zandvoort

 

Over driving? Bad choice on move timing? He is perplexing.

 

In the post FP2 interview, Christian Horner didn't come off very well IMO. Seems when RBR is the challenger or when they are dominant then CH is a character I can stand behind. However when he is the captain of a sinking ship, he comes off as a pryck that won't give a straight answer.

He flat out says Red Bull are struggling because both cars aren't scoring points, then he gets irritated by questions about Perez and the car's performance and defends that keeping Perez is the best choice for the team. I get he has to be very political in his responses, but he was a snot to the 3 women asking him very reasonable questions.

 

They should have put CS in that seat. He can shoe a car.

 

Hard to take Horner seriously. The numbers/stats on Checo are crap compared to Bottas at Mercedes. He out-qualified LH 30% of the time. Checo is midpack average and failing in a winning car overall. Due to be replaced even last year.

Horner: Perez the best driver we could have in the car

 

Red Bull team boss Christian Horner has poured cold water on recent claims made by Helmut Marko that reserve driver Liam Lawson is guaranteed a seat in Formula 1 next season.

Zandvoort on Friday, in an interview with Sky F1, Horner clarified Marko’s comments and suggested that no guarantees had been provided to Lawson regarding a seat with either of Red Bull’s teams in 2025.

“Nothing is fixed,” the Red Bull team boss stated. “If we don't take up the option on Liam, then he's a free driver for 2025.

 

As usual, the Horner-Marko duo entertains the crowd with fake news.

You know that they lie as soon as they move their lips.

The Red Bull saga is boring ...

 

Horner has the last word on anything now. Marko is a placeholder lol. They have given him an extension to keep Max and Jos happy. Nothing else. Anytime Marko talks about a substantive issue and its not in line with Horner, its corrected in less than 24 hours and publicly LOL.

 

Red Bull better enjoy the time with Max while they can. Their car is already on the decline relative to everyone else. Newey is gone. Perez clearly can't get a result in the package they have. As time goes on, it seems more and more likely that Max will likely leave Formula 1 in the near future. It is very possible he quits F1 at the end of 2025 and moves to sports cars/enduro racing. It's also quite possible he makes a move to Mercedes, or whoever has the best car with the 2026 regs. Maybe Max leaves to do other racing and comes back in 2028, it still doesn't seem likely he will be back with Red Bull. There could be some dark times ahead for Red Bull Racing.

 

Let's Max have his 4th title !

 

Well if LH was saying this LOL. Thats some Mercedes-esque feedback/assessment.............


Verstappen: "Something has been going wrong" with Red Bull F1 car
Verstappen reckons Red Bull must fix an unknown issue to improve its car balance

 

Stupid IMO. I would put Lawson in Perez's car for a P1 session and see how he makes out.

 

The dance continues. Jos is openly critical in the press all week on Horner. Maybe not in 2025 but 2026 is wide open for a move potentially. What happens to Russell if Max appears and the new kid is there who will replace LH lol!

Mercedes and Verstappen 'keep open communication' over future move - Wolff

 

RB is now seriously threatened by McLaren for the constructor's championship; Verstappen may save his title thanks to McLaren not being able to have a clear leader between Norris and Piastri.
Perez is really the weak link RB cannot afford anymore; it's amazing to see that one can find a similar performance gap between the drivers only at AM... but there, it has become obvious they have no ambition to compete for the win, and the weaker driver is the son of the owner.

 

RedBulls goal in F1 is to win races and both titles.

AM goal in F1 is to have fun. (Some here find nothing wrong with that goal)

Two completely and diverse goals when comparing both F1 teams.

 

Don't forget that Aston Martin participation in F1 helps to advertise their brand worldwide too.

Also, if you can't have fun going racing, what's the point of doing it ?

 

And.....is it helping with sales of their brand?

 

I think it does; AM sales progressed by 3% in 2023, to reach over 6600 cars.

But Lawrence Stroll isn't chasing volume, but bigger profit margin, which is quite smart for a luxury brand.

When he took over AM, the mark-up on cars was 18%, and he already brought it up to 32% since.

 

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/has-red-bull-found-the-smoking-gun-for-its-rb20-problems/10651680/

Has Red Bull found the smoking gun for its RB20 problems?
Red Bull has offered some clues about what could be behind the balance problems with its RB20 Formula 1 car
Matt Somerfield Jonathan Noble Sep 6, 2024, 10:11 AM

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Red Bull is pretty open that it needs to quickly turn around the performance of its RB20 if it is to avoid losing both Formula 1 championships this year.

But saying what it wants is one thing, doing it is another – especially because it does not yet have a clear explanation on what has gone wrong.

We can forget wild conspiracy theories about the FIA asking for devices to be removed from its car. Instead, Red Bull’s problems are all of its own making.

While not definitive yet about what has happened, there was a fascinating hint from team boss Christian Horner after the Italian GP about a potential trigger for its woes.

Speaking about the balance problems that are hurting the car, Horner said: “It's disconnected front and rear. We can see that.

“Our wind tunnel doesn't say that, but the track says that. So it's getting on top of that, because obviously when you have that, it means you can't trust your tools. Then you have to go back to track data and previous experience.”


So could a wind tunnel problem – something that may only have come to light in recent weeks – be the smoking gun behind its troubles?

In a bid to find out, let’s try and unravel where it all went wrong for the team and take a look at how it has been attempting to sort things out.

In terms of results and car behaviour, it seems that the Miami Grand Prix was the turning point. This was not only the case for Red Bull, but also those chasing it, as McLaren unveiled its first big update of the season, which catapulted it to victory and gave it a much more usable platform at each event.

Meanwhile, Mercedes joined the fray following its own larger update package that arrived in Monaco.

Ferrari was in and around the front of the pack until around this time too, before its troubles in Canada and then the difficulties caused by the return of high-speed bouncing from its Spanish GP floor. This was another example of a team finding out its simulation tools were saying one thing and the real car saying another.

Red Bull has obviously become aware of the possibility of a wind tunnel correlation issue and, over the course of the last few races, has been testing out numerous parts from its update archive in order to find a benign solution that did not sacrifice too much performance.

Allied to working through its issues, Red Bull has also been trying to improve the RB20 – which has resulted in an almost relentless development programme with updates introduced at every race apart from Austria and Belgium.

Glancing through the timeline of updates since Miami, we can see how much of the RB20 has been changed during that period, and how much of its programme has been split between its long-term goals and short-term aims.

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Red Bull RB20 front wing comparison

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Race
Reason for update
Part
Explanation
Miami
Performance
Edge wing support brackets
Removed metal support for the edge wing (weight/flex)

Imola
Performance
Front wing
Endplate shape, chord length of all flaps, inboard sections beside nose.

Performance
Nose
To match aforementioned front wing changes. Also renewed camera mounting positions

Performance
Floor and Edge wing
Upper floor section ahead of the edge wing optimised, whilst shedding strakes in the edge repositioned in the scrolled section

Imola Circuit specific
Rear brake duct
Reprofiled the exit duct geometry for a given
Intake, which allied the adjacent winglets to be optimised

Monaco
Circuit specific
Front brake duct
Inlet enlarged to cater for the low speed conditions

Circuit specific
Top wishbone fairing
Notch made in fairing to allow for additional steering lock

Circuit specific
Beam and rear wings
Increased downforce configuration
Canada
Circuit specific
Front brake duct
Enlarged cooling exit - wider and taller

Circuit specific
Rear wing
New flap geometry for the given downforce level
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Red Bull RB20 sidepod bodywork & inlet comparison

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Race
Reason for update
Part
Explanation
Spain
Performance
Sidepods
Bodywork and inlet size and shape altered to give more range for the upcoming races.

Performance
Floor
Geometry alongside the sidepod altered to work in unison with one another.

Performance
Beam and rear wing
Lower quarter of the endplates widened to take up more space in the allowable box region, with the beam wing widened as a consequence.
Austria
N/A
N/A
No updates
Great Britain
Performance
Floor and edge wing
Reprofiling of the floor around the SIS housing, with the edge wing altered to take advantage.
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Race
Reason for update
Part
Explanation

Hungary

Performance
Front wing
All four flaps reconfigured to increase load

Performance
Lower wishbone fairing
In conjunction with the revised front wing, the wishbone fairing has been altered to improve flow downstream.

Performance
Engine cover and Halo
Tighter engine cover, without the high shoulders, which also required new upper inlets beneath the airbox to accommodate for their loss between the halo and airbox. Halo fairings also adjusted to accommodate for the change in engine cover bodywork.


Performance
Rear brake duct
Change to the end fence geometry to improve flow into and around the assembly.

Belgium
N/A
No updates

Netherlands
Performance
Halo winglets and wing mirror stays
The aerodynamic furniture surrounding structures is often used as a means to further influence flow downstream and thus need to be changed inline with other changes that occurred a few races earlier.

Circuit specific
Rear cooling outlet
Smaller rear cooling bodywork for the tighter engine cover introduced at the Hungarian Grand Prix.

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Race
Reason for update
Part
Explanation

Italy
Circuit specific
Front wing
Shorter chord flaps to reduce drag

Circuit specific
Rear wing
Trimmed trailing edge of the upper flap to reduce drag


The scale of changes makes it clear that, if it is one component that has triggered its wrong turn, it is going to be quite hard to work out what it is.

For Red Bull, this appears to be new territory too, as it has not really faced the issues that its rivals have in the past three seasons. Its development hit rate has always been relatively good, yielding approximately what was expected.

This means that now, not only does it have to learn how to deal with the current issue, but it also needs to understand why it happened, so that it doesn’t happen again in the future.

Key now is working out which of its tools is reliable and can be trusted.

As Horner said: “It's not unusual that when something's not working on the car, you end up with different readings from your simulation tools, and they don't converge. Then you get three sets of data: you get CFD, you get wind tunnel and you get track.

“Obviously the one that really counts is the track data, but to develop it, it's like telling the time with three different watches, you've got to focus on the tool that's going to give you the most valuable input, and of course, the track data is the most reliable.”

The big question is how long will it take Red Bull to find the answers to its issues and how much development work that has been done, or is under way at its factory, will need to be ditched because of it.

Like others that have been in a similar situation, the consequences of spending time working through this can be severe.

If a team devotes effort to gathering data from old parts to hunt down problems, it means its focus is not on delivering improvements that make it quicker.

So, if you also have rivals who are on an upward trajectory, the performance disparity between you and them can become quick big.

 

Everyone's goals in F1 are to win races and titles, there is no distinction in that.

{Paraphrased from the guy who played Enzo in "Grand Prix"}

 

Newey leaving has zero to do with Red Bull's current lack of pace. It takes a year or two for senior staff departure to impact performance, IF they ever do so.

No, the FIA didn't find the rumored cross braking system on the RB, just as they didn't find the illegal fuel sensor on Ferrari in 19'. But you don't have to be a genius to look at the timing and the results, and put two and two together to see that it's obvious RB were using such a system, and losing it has left Max lost in terms of the cars setup working.

It's obviously stupid to suggest the cross braking system was the reason RB have been dominant. They were dominant for a number of reasons. Better aero and mechanical configurations were their advantage. But now other teams have caught up, and now that they've lost this illegal braking system, it took away the last thing they had over the competition, imho.

 

Lots of issues all at once for MaxBull. Failed upgrades from the start. Honda issues and aero balance and no way forward yet. The comments about Mercedes were hilarious here as they struggled. Now every major team has struggled with ground effect rules. The most interesting fall has been RedBull since they had it so correct and Newey was there.

 

Marko needs to go work for ChikFila or just retire- christ he's140 years old and has sucked the Red Bulll ass for years but provides ZERO value- all he is is a distraction - who runs the ****ing team?? Horner or Marko?? And take his phone and laptop away- nobody wants to read his ********-

 

Alright guys. Some of, if not most, may not like this but this is what some car aficionado's do to their rides...like low-riders but a step further with these rims. I myself don't like it and would never do it to my cars but it is what it is. They, Houstonians, call them "slabs." Most of these aficionado's put a continental wheel as well on their slabs.

RedBull in "H-Town" (Houston)

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