812 Replacement Rumors

right from the horses mouth, so to speak...

 

Thank you, sir!

 

All Fiorano times, since they are under the control of Ferrari, are carefully engineered (but at the time of disclosure).
Besides, up to the 812 SF, the V12 was supposed to be a real sports car - whereas Ferrari admits (in their marketing) that the 12Cilindri is more a GT car. So have it faster than the 812 would be surprising IMHO.
Ferrari end up struggling with their own imaginary times and their consistency: as the 812 SF was still a sports car, it had to be close to the 296; but now, how could a car be significantly faster than the 812, and still not as fast as the 296, when the margin between these two was reported to be so narrow ?

 

Fiorano... Seriously, there is no access to check the inside of the tires, the suspension set up and the engine mapping... just numbers...
The only times that count are those set by the German motorsport magazine on the Nürburgring...

 

Really? The worst metric ever. The QR lap time is much more meaningful.

 

Until now each Ferrari GT V12 has a Fiorano lap time and that is an indication of where it stands in the hierarchy. The cars have always been prepared by Ferrari to obtain the best possible lap times at Fiorano. Then what is the reason why Ferrrari doesn't reveal the Fiorano's lap time of the 12 C as it previously did with all models in this class? As already mentioned here, the most plausible explanation is because the 12C is marginally faster than the 812 SF or perhaps not even that.

 

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Not to mention highly condescending to the many people who have been customers for years, still own and love Ferraris from the last century and love the modern cars too.

 

how does the la ferrari replacement look at Maranello?

 

Regarding the Fiorano lap times. It would be quite unprofessional for a professional driver like Raffaele de Simone to claim that 12 Cilindri is 'way faster' than 812SF, if it isn't. So I think the error lies somewhere else.

https://www.evo.co.uk/ferrari/12-cilindri
"It’s not intended to be a track car but for context, de Simone says it’s around 1 to 1.5sec a lap slower than a 296 GTB around Fiorano, but ‘way faster’ than an 812."

Has Simone's comment appeared on some video as well, or mentioned only in Evo magazine?

 

I think Ferrari may have kept the haptics on the launch of the 12Cilindri so that the "surprise effect" of the return of the buttons would be on the presentation of the F250.

There were rumors that the 12 would have some buttons, and at the launch it still had the haptics.

I hope that physical buttons will be available for the 12 soon.

 

Raffaele de Simone is for many of us the number 1 and the eternal Ferrari test driver. We have lost count of the models he took beyond the limits on the Fiorano circuit. However, with the appearance of the 12 C there are at least three things that seem to have changed, firstly the press members no longer had the traditional and exciting laps in Fiorano alongside Raffaele, secondly there isn't a Fiorano lap time for the 12 C, thirdly Raffaele de Simone job title is no longer test driver .

 

Maybe its both. A lot slower lap times than the hybrid (1.5 sec on Fiorano is a lot slower) but way faster than the prior 12 as in ability to gain speed. Fast doesn't always translate directly into better lap times.

 

Valid point. Anyway, at least Autocar journalist was having a ride with Raffaele de Simone in Good Year test circuit. Not sure though was it fast enough to be exciting...

Speaking of Fiorano times, I wonder how long they can continue there without safety modifications to track. Must be quite a ride there with the new F250...

 

They probably won’t release Fiorano lap time of 12 C until they have sold the entire production run out, as they don’t want to lose prospective 812 trade up buyers

 

I think we will never see a 12 Cilindri Fiorano lap time.

They must have originally "released" a too good lap time for 812SF to make their top end V12 model competitive with V8 turbo models.

With all the updates they have done to 12 Cilindri (larger tyre contact patch, lower center of gravity, shorter wheelbase, more rigid chassis, wireless brakes, independent rear wheel steering, updated control electronics, shorter gears and faster gear changes, more power), I just can't believe it could be slower at a track like Fiorano.

Of course 12 Cilindri is 35 kg heavier. And It has also less max torque, but at least on the straights this does not really matter as the engine is generally run on 750 rpm higher revs, putting most of the time more power to the wheels.

Do you really believe that Ferrari is not able to make their 7 years newer model faster than the old one, even if adding some versatility to improve its GT ride qualities?

 

I’m in Maranello and saw today in flesh at least 10 12C in and out of the factory, during assembly as well.
Verde, blue, rosso etc…
In despite I was not in love with the car, even a bit « hostile », I admit it is nicer in flesh vs in picture.
Don’t know if it will grow in me, but I’m not still 100% negative.
Ps: at the end of the assembly line there is a gorgeous blue 812C ready to fly to the USA! (side repetitors)

 

Did you see any Noir 12C built?

 

We're all waiting for that one

 

So, here are the pictures of a Nero Spider

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Indeed, the only body colored roof available!

 

At this angle the rear tire looks massive

 

Despite having been fully launched and in production already, they still put camo on it. Apparently to hide it's ugliness.

Makes sense.

 

Does anyone have side to side pictures of Coupe and Spider from the rear? It just troubles me how tall the rear end of Spider looks and how the flap edge line does not continue to the body like in the Coupe. Would be nice to see the differences in more detail.

 

Black seems to be a weak colour for 12C. All subjective of course.