The Mclaren W1

Looks much better than leaked photo.

 

Very unique/'trick' active rear wing

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All 399 are SOLD

some good 'comparison' commentary



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The weight and power to weight is impressive. The aero also very impressive. It seems they want the wind tunnel to do all the design work and it shows. The 720 is their pinnacle.

 

765, 750, Senna, Speedtail, .... W1
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I'm sorry but I think its ugly. If this is the future you can have it.

 

And I will.

I will take mine in Supernova Silver.

 

I can AI a better design for you. Just give me $2M.

 

I’m referring to overall package. That includes performance and LOOKS.

 

I'm impressed with the car, much better than the leaked photos. The numbers are crazy too, 1300hp and 1399KG. gawdly

 

Not impressed with the looks at all. Does not do anything for me.

Specs are good and all, but that's not what gets me excited about a car.

Has to be a combination of presence and performance.

 

This is tempting. Hopefully the dealer configurator goes live this week.


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My understanding is the 1399kg is in dry not curb. Can anyone confirm that as fact either way?

 

That is correct. 1399kg dry.

 

That makes the W1 and the believed F250 specs very similar on both Weight and HP from Two different approaches.
Now to wait and see how the other numbers compare.

 

Indeed. I find it interesting that McLaren was happy to save a few inches in wheelbase length due to the fixed seats while it seems the F250 is embracing what appears to be a very long wheelbase and overall length/overhangs - presumably for improved aero. LMdH/Hypercars and F1 cars have absurdly long wheelbases so this seems to be Ferrari’s direction for the F250. Meanwhile, McLaren has achieved the same peak downforce with a shorter wheelbase/length - interesting. There certainly must be some trade offs with either approach.

My sense is that McLaren has tried to engineer a road biased car that can ‘shape shift’ into a track weapon.

The F250 so far reminds me of the Senna design ethos - a track car with number plates. The apparent rearward positioned passenger seat suggests that they wanted the smallest possible roof canopy for minimal drag. Comfort and interior space is of secondary consideration (will it have cup holders or any area for luggage?)

Exciting times.

 

I guess the good thing is McLaren can fire any designers they have. Clearly they don’t do much.

 

Ferrari does have a history with going with a longer wheel base over other manufactures on some models. If I recall correctly Ferrari had issues with the FXX on the Nurburgring and ended up moving to the 599XX there. Hopefully hardcore like the F40.

 

With a pure EV range of only 2 miles, does it even matter if it's ever plugged in?

In other words, why is it a PHEV? Why not just make a it a pure BEV, which would presumably make for a lighter overall drivetrain and car.

 

If I recall the electric motor adds about 340hp. That’s impressive.

 

Huge differences between them with their suspensions layout it seems.
And don’t forget the electrified front axle for F250.
I suspect two very similar technical data with pure numbers but two very different cars in the end.

 

And it's only 20kg.

"The motorsport-derived E-module that works in combination with the combustion engine is mounted to the side of the transmission and contributes up to 347PS. Comprising a radial flux E-motor and integrated Motor Control Unit – an engineering approach similar that taken in IndyCar racing – the E-module is a masterclass in maximising efficiency while minimising package volume and weight, The whole unit weighs just 20kg and further advantages include reducing coolant volume, low-voltage and high-voltage connections and seals. The sealed unit improves serviceability with a dry interface outside of the transmission unit.

The E-motor element is capable of spinning up to 24,000rpm has a specific output of 23PS/kg, which is directly comparable to Formula 1 E-motors."

 

Impressive to some extent, but one has to remember that in the case of an electric motor, there is a different split between the "engine" and the "fuel" weight - for an ICE, the fuel weighs less than the engine, whereas for an electric motor, most weight is in the batteries. And the batteries weigh basically the same no matter how charged they are, whereas an ICE car would weigh less with a nearly empty tank.

 

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