LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

Could you tell us how the interior looks like and if its an improvement with physical buttons?

 

Are there any capacitive touch buttons in the interior?

 

Are there any updates to the steering wheel and digital instrument cluster or is it a carry over from 12C

 

It went from 0-200 in 5 - 5.5s to 5.75.
W1 takes 0.7sec more to 100kmh, but only 0.05sec more to 200 which means it accelerates harder after 100kmh.
So f250 most probably has a lot more weight as well as less power than the W1.

 

Thank you for the insight! It's really well detailed and enthusiastic.
I find a little bit weird that the 0-200 info passed from 5.0 to 5.5 to now a more realistic 5.75 sec, which means the AWD is mainly an advantage on the 0-100 compared to W1, while power/weight difference make the 100-200 slower on 250. It is also wierd that they chose to publish Fiorano lap of 1.15.3 and not 1.15.0, but I guess they'll reserve the round number of rthe 250 XX, with slick tires and hopefully less weight-more aero and some power gain.
At the end of the day, this is still a pretty usable road car, though it will be crazy fast, but Fiorano is not the best curcuit to measure it I'm afraid, I think we need to check it at SPA.

 

Thank you for these words of wisdom and for keeping the details for the launch date as Ferrari wants it.

 

Almost same comments ahah
Yeah, 250 has 75 PS less and likely around 130 kg more of dry weight
Mecca chose to be first this time, since P1 was less powerful than LaF.

Since V6 is already at a very good power level,the electrical components are the factor putting 250 behind, being less powerful and heavier than W1.
At the end of the day though, it will be real aero efficiency and effectiveness on the track to dictate the real winner.
It is true though, that previously mentioned 5-5.0 sec 0-200 was no correct info...but I think sf90 Stradale was actually capable of doing 0-100 in 2.0 sec, much less that declared to media, while here they are mentioning 2.15, so something is not really in line, I think real benchmark depends on tire, with Trofeo RS it should be able doing 0-100 in 2.0 and 0-200 in 5.5, though we'll never know unless we see it on test track.

 

Unfortunately, Ferrari sometimes declares so strange stats:
Enzo: they clamed just +5kgs than F50 (true world_: +90-100 kgs), 0-100 3.65s (ok) and 100-200 5.85s (out of this world), and outrageous downforce (mmmmhhh)..
LaFe: they claimed as heavy has Enzo (true world: +100/110 Kgs), and 0- 300kph 15s (impossible)

 

Since some were asking, steering wheel is beautiful to hold. It is small, nicely shaped and possesses…..real buttons. Honestly it felt so good to press them!!

 

What functions are specifically buttons?

 

Are all the functions on the steering wheel physical buttons or does it still possess some capacitive buttons?

 

1:15.3 is a little disapointing,

would love to see a video comparison between the 360 gt2 and the f250 just to see where exactly it's making the time up to be faster around the circuit despite having 900hp less (surely not under breaking as the f250 must have insanely good stopping power?)

 

do you get anything more than nice steering wheel for this extra millions over 296?

 

I hope hope it will be not slower than W1, then you make feel really piss off

 

The seatposition reminded me of a LMP1 and a bit of my F1, it fits like a glove!

 

It's a bad number to market, they could have used 1:15:0 as a good one, but it also true that LaF had 1:20 rleeased then 1:19:7 followed, so maybe this time, we will find out a 1.15.3 earlier and 1.15.0 later.

Actually, with double the amount of downforce than SF90XX and 170 PS more with similar weight, plus Trofeo RS tires, 1.15.3 is not so impressive, since 599 XX EVO was already faster. I think Fiorano is not the best track for appreciating the real effectiveness..I also wonder if SF90 replacement will improve laptime and therefore come close to 250...FXXK EVO was too good, hope 250XX evo will show us real capability of this platform.

 

it'll be interesting to see, not much data to work with other than the W1 is 3 seconds faster than a Senna around Nardo

The Senna GTR is hugely faster than the regular Senna and the Valk is 4 seconds a lap quicker than the GTR around Bahrain

someone said on here that Ferrari were targeting the Valk for the f250 so if they've manage to match it then it should be rapid

 

Great review and info overall—thank you.

So the engine is more 499P and less 296?

Well stated. As I wrote, I see this a not 60s curvy but rather early-70s modern, like the Pininfarina 512S Speciale and Countach:

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/149828618/

 

For me its intangible details like this which do matter perhaps more than ultimate performance, there needs to be a sense of occasion. Lets not forget there there is always that intangible Ferrari quality which is undoubtedly going to make the car special.

 

3.4 seconds from 100-200 km/h is somehow disappointing and just 0.6 seconds faster than an SF90 XX with Cup 2 R tires.

 

The 0-100 difference is solely as a result of front wheel motors/AWD standing start compared to RWD. Nothing more than that

 

I'm confused about F163 engine. Is the same engine block used also in 499P?

Originally I understood that it has a totally new load bearing block which just shares the basic architecture with F163. But some sites claim that it is derived from the F163CE variant used in 296 GT3, making it also a family member of F163 series.

So could it actually have the same block as 296, but with load bearing reinforcements?

 

It is based on the 499P more than the 296, just civilized for pollutant emissions, noise, durability, the more uncivilized version will be presented in 2026/2027 purely for GT club XX

 

how different will that be from the 499p modificata ?

how close to it will it be in price considering the expected expensive base price of the 250

 

Are you seen the car ?