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LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by Ale55andr0, Dec 24, 2019.

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  1. jpalmito

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    Two sides of the car with the reinterpreted Naca duct.
     
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  2. ingegnere

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  3. markonex

    markonex Formula Junior

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    2 EM, one for each front wheel, + 1 EM propelling through the gearbox, same layout of Ferrari Vision GT.
    Torque vectoring will be very important fo dynamic performances. This car is not made with power as the focus point, 1200 PS is nothing special in a world of 2000 PS from electric vehicles, Bugatti, Koenigsegg, the real gem is the integration between torque, aerodynamics and vehicle dynamics, both longitudinal and lateral. The XX version which will be released in 2.5 years is going to be the first road derived vehicle to beat the 333SP and MC12 GT1 laptime at Fiorano (499P is not in this category).

    This vehicle is conceptually imagined, designed and prepared to have the minimum amount of understeer to make it acceptable and safe for usage on public roads, whereas most of older models were more tuned with a safe amount of understeer, the XX will be even less prone to understeer, and this can only make it a track weapon.
     
  4. MisterMaranello

    MisterMaranello F1 Rookie

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    GTE / GT3 cars surely faster already?

    They are much faster than the current crop of XX cars. XX cars subjectively don't have a lot of downforce.

    I don't know why the GT3/GTE/488GTM lap times at Fiorano are not quoted.
     
  5. markonex

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    it is already included in the 300 PS figure
    Combined power betweenEM and ICE is always inferior to normal added sum of peak powers
     
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  6. jpalmito

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    It was Varryx indeed.
    Car is gorgeous in motion..

     
  7. markonex

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    GT3/GTE are faster cause they are developed solely for competition, generally lighter, with race suspension trim and specific slick tires and huge wings and diffuser while XX are more for R&D experimentation related to road derived cars.
    On the other and, ferrari seems to have finally embraced high downforce concept for this supercar and therefore I expect next XX to be very high on downforce level, not so much road derived and thus approaching GTE downforce levels with the XX evo package, but with much more power, not BOP. So, even though GT laptimes are not quoted, i expect next XX EVO to be on par with at least GT3 and GTE on a fast track requiring some more power, maybe even faster than 488 GTM thanks to AWD. Just slower than 499 P but not by much.
     
  8. ARAUJO77

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  10. Garretto

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    Also noticed. My first thought was mirrors. For months I've been thinking the prototype mirrors don't fit this car at all. Too big, not stylish as LaF ones.
     
  11. jpalmito

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    Fake parts ?
     
  12. Chicko

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    Could be camera mirror pods. But a strange place to mount them.
     
  13. Garretto

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    Zero sense at this point. But who knows. Maybe they're detecting increased attention so they find fit to disguise here and there :D
     
  14. isot

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    NO. Nothing.
     
  15. babgh

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    Looks better than initially expected. The W1 looks like a toy compared to this
     
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  16. ingegnere

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    Mirrors we’ve seen look like the definitive design. You can see on some pictures that they are quite neatly supported off the inside of the trailing edge of the front fender extensions.

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  17. Garretto

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    Must be something. Test driver's lunchbox?

    My best guess is something rear-view related. Or else it is what I said before: "so many people looking this week, hmm... let's disguise something so at least a dozen people can be surprised at reveal".
     
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  18. isot

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    The car has a system for the suspensions derived by the Purosangue system so I can hypothesize some devices to test them

    The only active part of the car is the wing. I can imagine something also under the car but for sure nothing located on the front fenders
     
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  19. ingegnere

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    :D
     
  20. JOHNCJ8989

    JOHNCJ8989 Formula Junior

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    I’ve always suspected that the upper wheel arches would be open to an extent to release air pressure, similar to the 499. Something to do with testing that, I would guess..
     
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  21. maximilien

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    I think it’s just some sensor for final testing nothing more
     
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  22. markonex

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    I'd love to see those, but I'm afraid the open slots on wheel arches will be reserved for GT3 cars or maybe 250XX derived version, they are usually not employed so much by Ferrari, but if they aim at max aero performance despite aethetical beauty, makes sense to see them at least on XX; not on the normal road version though.
     
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  23. ingegnere

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    Good assumption but would have been open during road testing, yes?
    Agree.
     
  24. Jonathan19

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    Strange that there is no teaser if the reveal is indeed on the 17th at 2PM. I found on Ferrari's website that on Sunday there is a "Ferrari Show & Official Picture".

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  25. markonex

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    Sunday is always reserved for that at Finali Mondiali, most likely will be possible to see the car doing a few laps around the circuit, while it will be statically exhibited already from Friday/Saturday in showroom
     
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