LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

Agree,
I just remember the testarossa’s launch in 1984..
My goodness it was the end of the world for the so-called « purists « !
288 GTO was a rebodied 308 GTB either ( their words) ..

 

I’m giving this a big thumbs up! Every Ferrari hypercare needs to be fresh and set a direction capable of lasting a decade. This does exactly that. Unmistakably Ferrari. A brutal rather than beautiful design but very effective. Highly original. Technologically spectacular. Love the 3D printed suspension components - engineering porn right there.

And… let’s celebrate the return of real buttons on the steering wheel! This is very welcome and totally logical after the haptic debacle of the last few years. My only additional wish would have been for a return of the big red Start button which strangely appears to have remained as a haptic. But I can forgive that for everything else that has been achieved successfully. Can’t wait to see this beast on the road - it’ll have huge presence. Bravo Ferrari!

 

T50 with the horrible fan thing ?
T30 is most bland car I have ever seen.
Of course there is this fantastic V12 with lightness and manual gearbox etc ..
To my modest opinion a hypercar should be a minimum dramatic with his styling.

 

The T50 and T33 are not even hypercars. If you find them bland what more of ferrari's current car designs? Like I said the F80 looks good but it is still not good enough. The only thing that I said it looks good because the W1 makes it look better in terms of looks. Would I still rank the F80 higher than the LaFerrari in terms of looks? I DON'T THINK SO. Problem with ferrari fans like you is that you guys crucify anyone that go against what they are putting out. It's like you are enabling these kinds of standard when you really shouldn't.

Like I said F80 looks good because its rival the W1 looks ugly, but it is still not good looking enough in MY eyes and some other ferrari fans as well.
Does it look ugly for me? No it doesn't.
Does it look bland for me? Yes it does.
Is it blander than the T33 in my eyes? Yes.
Does the F80 look dramatic? No. At least it doesn't look like a kit car like a Senna or W1. The fan on the T50's back looks more stupid and dramatic
Do I like the F80's design? Yes, if they turn paint some body panels into its body color paint(front fascia strip and roof)
Did the design standard of ferrari went down with Manzoni? Yes. He is just mish-mashing previous designs. It is a sign of creative mental block or he is just unimaginative from the get-go. He just has a ****load of ego so he portrays himself as "charismatic" when he isn't.
Will it look good after a few years? I think so, it looks better than the SF90 but not that better compared to 296

 

« Crucifying people » !!
I am more than diplomatic with people who have a different opinion than mine.
Manzoni has a very very difficult task believe me:
Leading the design department of the most iconic automotive brand in the world.
Level of « hate » I can see on this thread about F80 is just out of any rationality..

 

Did you say "leading"?
Well, if you can't stand the heat don't go into the kitchen.

Marcel Massini

 

On the straights, competing with W1 might be difficult:

SF90: 637 PS / tonne (+0 PS / tonne)
F80: 787 PS / tonne (+150 PS / tonne)
W1: 911 PS / tonne (+274 PS / tonne)

 

True, AWD is helping in 0-100, 0-200 on par, after that better aero efficiency will detemrine winner, but I assume W1 will have little less downforce and drag since it's achieving 1000 kg later than F80.

Many folks atteding the event mentioned that F8 dynamics is on anothe rlevell, so I think there's too much not disclosed on website, but only to owners.

With all that said, I find really weird that despite so much innovation (and double the downforce!) it can only give 2 seconds to SF90XX at Fiorano. Put some Trofeo RS and it should gain at least 0.3 s.

 

That said, I'm not completely sure if horsepower figures are totally comparable. Ferrari has bigger batteries assumably because of e-turbo requirements, but I would expect electric delivery to be on a similar level on both cars (battery limited). Hence the ICE related gap of 28 PS (900 PS vs 928 PS) is the essential difference, and that is not a lot. Weight difference is significant though.

 

I know why the car is so difficult to love at first sight, we didn't get proper presentation video!!!

Where's the beautiful movie with Seb in LaF aperta? Why they couldn't release something similar to highlight the presence and ethos of the car? Exciting and romantic...
The 56 seconds clip with white shirt guy is too short and not on par with previous launch movies...

I mean, it would have been so simple to put Leclerc on the car and mix some shots from Montecarlo street with Italian Alps, and Imola / Mugello circuit...getting a 3-4 minutes video

 

We mostly waiting a dynamic video of this car..
Weird they haven’t released it yet.

 

Exactly! The absence of it made the press launch so poor!
I don't care about Shmee and other lucky influencers repeating info already written on website.
Give us drama, thrills, importance, make the car feel special, throw some cinema like always done for all serious models!

As I said, weird presentation, low profile, no Fiorano lap time officially declared, no dynamic video, no big online event show like for the F1 cars, it should have been so much more marketed for normal folks and fans at home! Honestly, the lack of a proper presentation made reading through the website so less of an event...it is like they purposefully spoiled their own big moment...

Hope to see it in motion at Finali Mondiali tomorrow or on Sunday and get the proper feeling...

 

All Ferraris unleash polarized opinions; for this hypercar, I would say hyper-polarized opinions.
Let all these silly visceral arguments have time to decant. This car is too many things at once. In the end, the f80 will emerge in all its stunning technology and the strange new beauty of which it is (also) the result

 

Absolutely !

 

OT:
Could it be possible to merge this and the F80 threads please?

 

Was there any official information about no aperta ?

 

My configuration (just for dreaming, I'm not a client)
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They are not interested in these people, because they don't bring the $$$$$$$$$.

Marcel Massini

 

Those people never brought the $, but previously they were still putting some effort in this, at least to captivate the customer more...

 

A lot of heat for Manzoni but I will commend him. I think it's a brave design that looks into tomorrow rather than being conservative and playing it safe.

The F40 was like nothing we had ever seen; there was nothing elegant or "finesse" about it. It was brutal, seemingly drawn by rulers and formulas rather than an inspired flowing pencil or an Italian artist.

As a designer, I can attest that the dance between understanding your audience's desires and presenting them with a new, inspirational vision is a crucial one. If your vision doesn't provoke resistance, it may not be pushing the boundaries of design far enough.

Manzoni has decided to re-approach how we feel when we see a Ferrari. After initial outrage, we eventually caught up with the visionaries of the F40. The same will apply here.

 

100% agreed

 

Interesting design on the new F80. It's not ugly but not as beautiful and elegant like the LaFerrari. The design is more functional than elegant. It looks like more like a racecar than a regular hypercar. What I like is that some design elements remind me to old models from the past.

 

I get your point.
In the end lot of things about cars design are personal.
For instance I know the Enzo is well liked by people but to be honest I never really appreciate his design.
But this is only MY appreciation, nothing more.
I would love to see people waiting to ponder what car F80 really is.
People who worked on it don’t deserve this irrational hate..

 

In my opinion this is the nicest one of the Manzoni designs. That doesn't mean the car looks good though. It's just, that the other ones are even worse. Especially if you compare it with the LaFerrari is game over. Place it next to a Jesko and an Utopia - game over again. But of course this idiotic "Daytona" black section between the headlights is what drags it down the most. And I don't see any option for removing it on the configurator. Good news is that for this car probably everyone will use the Tailor Made program, hopefully most people will paint it body color. Somebody should tell Manzoni, that even on the original Daytona they removed it for the later cars