Ferrari F80 - The most dissapointing Halo F

Lol. That's not why f1 cars have power steering.

They have power steering because of the insane down force and grip the tires have the cars pull multiple g while cornering and then you have when they have to directly transition from a left to a right quickly.

It would be impossible.

Lack of power steering is superior for road feel which is what people complain or talk about.


Go drive some vintage cars. Nothing better. Or even better a lotus. Also nsx Alex zanardi edition.

 

Of what true Ferrari lovers say? What makes someone a true Ferrari lovers? Lol.


Most of these people who are having a hard time understanding the car are Instagram 15 year olds or guys who got into cars in the last 4 years.

And the lap time is the lap time. It is what measures the difference and improvement between it and previous generation cars.

You don't have to value it... But it remains a fact that 4.4 seconds in fiorano is a lifetime especially at these speeds.

 

I'm not saying the F80 is a total flop. Some aspects I like. But I'm saying many other cars can do that same 4.4 seconds, and look better doing it. W1, Valkyrie, AMG one etc.

 

What you are saying proves my point. A power assisted rack (whether hydraulically or electrically) gives superior control, as the steering movements can be quicker and the steering ratio can be shorter. A very short steering ratio without any kind of assistance would need huge torque applied on the steering wheel, resulting in driver fatigue and slower reactions overall. That is why F1 embraced power assisted steering. I am sure you have driven a go-kart and saw what that did to your arms after a few laps. More relevantly, the worse steering I experienced in a sports car was the unassisted rack of an Elise - since you mentioned Lotus. There was nothing good about it; heavy and slow!!! I prefer guiding cars with my fingertips; precisely and quickly. No need to fight against the car. A good car follows your brain's inputs intuitively, without any effort. Modern jets are also like this, with their fly-by-wire system.

 

The One looks good? Really?

 

Yes Sir. I have't seen countless internet post bashing Amg looks, unlike F80.

 

Well we don't know that to be true yet. I bet the one that is a contender is the amg one. I bet the others are not going to post as fast of a lap

 

Ohh I have an Elise and you can actually feel the road.

You are the opposite of what most driving enthusiasts are looking for. You want fast reacting and no feel and over boosted. That's not what most enthusiasts want. Too quick of a rack and too much boost makes it so you can't feel the grip as the limit.

You are like one of the very few percentage of people who want over boosted finger tip steering with a fast rack.

 

I was thinking the others have better power to weight ratio. But yes, obviously we don't have lap times.

 

The issue is a member of the board is against the V12, had they had there way the 12C would not have happened.
The Current V12 is at end of life, This mean Ferrari needs to invest about Two hundred million to design and develop the next generation V12.
The money is not the issue, its that member on the board. The only reason the Ferrari Purosangue (SUV) has a V12 was to sell it to the market.
Ferrari will sell all of the V6 F80s without issue so the V12 is not important the board want money they have no true passion for Cars.

With that said what the Team within Ferrari engineer with the V6 is world class. A road going 3L TT V6 with 900hp and redlining at 9250rpm Dino and even Enzo would be proud of that feat.

as for the Corvette 2025 ZR1 the F80 will destroy it much like the result of a racing gt3 car trying to race an F1 / LMh.

 

You would be surprised by how many people like a light - finger tip, steering wheel feeling. A light steering does not mean that it is devoid of feel. Feel and heft are two totally different things. BTW, modern Ferraris' steering heft can be programmed by the diagnostics computer. A friend of mine had his 458's steering tuned to be heavier this way.

 

I believe F1 embraced power steering because the turning effort with such high downforce cars was simply too much to be able to make corrections and quick direction changes. Also the benefit of reduced driver fatigue.

 

@REALZEUS
By the way, have you diven a modern Ferrari with electric steering assistance? There is nothing wrong with it.
@technom3
Hydro steering is nice but you know what's better... No power steering.

Imo the best last best steering feel is pista, best of both world; very light, very quick, and communicative.
HPS is the best steering, no assistance is simply to hard at low speed, parking etc.. This can only work on <1,000kg cars like some lotus or Alfa 12c. (never drove the 12c but arguably wasn't that great)
I totally disagree on EPS, those steering are numbs, and have to feel the car with our ass at the limit, it is that bad.
Some car makers add artificial heaviness to the rack in sportier settings, but steering weight isn't the issue, lack of feedback is.

@REALZEUS
1580 actually
I wish, but sadly 1650kg is kerb weight (80% tank, no driver).
F lied a lot on Laf weight, they even deleted the weight from their website to stop the embarrassment.
They were even forbidding owners to publicly release the weight.

@technom3
I've an hard time with F50 design, and it's so rare to see one for sale. The price is too difficult to ascertain and I can't buy more than one halo anyway.
I agree on tdf being the ultimate front f140, the 6.3 version with equal headers has been a shock for me, I still remember the first time I heard it in an FF <3.

@colonels
5 electric motors? 2 for spooling the turbos? active aero? this car is like a mish mash of technology and does anyone care how all that tech is going to hold up after 10 years?
I agree, but this apply to all EV, even thou I would like to buy a Laf in the coming years, I'm pissed off knowing the EV system will not perform as well as new.
These EV system lost power overtime, while engine only lost a bit with thousand miles on them.
On top of that, the kers system is $100,000 - $150,000 to replace.

@ktu
You are saying the total opposite of what true Ferrari lovers say. You stated a lot of numbers. They say Ferrari is not about numbers/laptimes.
Completely agree, F is not only about number* Passion should prevail.

@technom3
I really don't think you understand how fast 4.4 seconds faster on fiorano really is.
You mentioned lap time a lot, so let's debunk that.
The F80 is the current faster road legal F ever, I totally agree with that, but a bit less fast (900hp from 3L, and all new innovations are still super impressive)

This lap time is either a lie, or more likely a F80 was just overly optimized.
F wants his new Halo car to keep the best lap time for the next decade and all these Fiorano lap time cannot been checked.
Additionally F knows that the owners will rarely pushed their F80 in other track, or will with their bad driving skills / fear to drive on the limit.
In any way, likely no other track time to compare.
It is mainly marketing numbers, and I still have an hard time to believe some of them.

Like Tributo / Pista, P is faster but common, not 1 full second faster, same for 296 gtb / competizione 1 second faster for comp?
Imo they bexaggerated 12tdf lap time and was forced to release an ever better time for the comp.
The simple fact most of these times are .0 or .5 speak volume. (not for F80 or Laf but they add even .2 faster so at some point they will just be .2 faster but still THE FASTER, following marketing will)

 

@4re4ever

The Current V12 is at end of life, This mean Ferrari needs to invest about Two hundred million to design and develop the next generation V12.
Huge difference on how F was managed 20 years ago when Enzo was released.
Funny enough the design is what I like the most about the F80, I love the design!
So sad they haven't built a new V12 in RWD and H-EPS.
Would have been the atomic goat.

The money is not the issue, its that member on the board. The only reason the Ferrari Purosangue (SUV) has a V12 was to sell it to the market.
I'm even surprised that a v6 version was not yet announced.
They started working on a SUV the next day of Marchionne death.

Ferrari will sell all of the V6 F80s without issue so the V12 is not important the board want money they have no true passion for Cars.
Sadly true, F board is just about making money, the passion is gone and it goes from bad to worst.

With that said what the Team within Ferrari engineer with the V6 is world class. A road going 3L TT V6 with 900hp and redlining at 9250rpm Dino and even Enzo would be proud of that feat.
Completely agree.

as for the Corvette 2025 ZR1 the F80 will destroy it much like the result of a racing gt3 car trying to race an F1 / LMh.
From corvette (never owned one, and probably never will) I started to notice them since their rear mid engine choice.
Regarding 2025 ZR1 they could have choose to go EV and FWD but decided to keep a full ICE setup, and turbo charge their rear mid flat plane V8.
For sure we can feel the passion, with a HPS (and a better rear design imo) it would have been perfect.

As McLaren, Corvette choose to keep RWD for driving passion rather than 0-60 / lap time.
Even Aston keep resisting to EV, Bugatti went hybrid NA V16 while F with budget and capacity to do the greatest keep betraying us.

 

The fame of Ferrari are the engines, first of all 12, later 8 cylinder as well. No question that the engine of the F80 is a masterpiece of high tech engineering, but it has nothing to do with the famous history, that’s all.
And I do not hate the car, it is one of now six Supercars. But it is not my favorite of these.

 

Ferrari's first Formula 1 World Constructors Championship was won by a V6 powered car. Just saying...

 

The Dino engine, as I said before…