LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

If you happen to visit Europe post 2026, might need/asked to change your nick to DreaminRevs, so that you don't get fine

 

Remember that old James Bond movie where the bad guy was the one whose plan was to control mass media worldwide? Super smart idea.
That's exactly what happens in Europe now. He who controls mass media has the power to steer the people. And they are so incredibly dumb. All people are to be brought into line.
Be happy that you don't live in EU. It's really bad here.
BUT AGAIN: Let's go to the P&R section for this. And sorry for my rant.
Now let's go back to the new Ferrari SF80.

Marcel Massini

 

Don't even know why EU big heads focus on stupid issues like supercars' noise instead of actually using their brains on real problems, but I guess progress is not always positive, so enjoy our 2030 life...and buy a 430 Scud, MC12 or 550 GT1 if you can

Maybe F80 XX will have some more decent noise, but Ferrari screaming sound age has unfortunately come to the end, while still surviving on track thanks older models.

 

when I think that we from Middle East used to ship cars to Europe, to do road trips...
guess it might be other way around

 

This is exactly why I refuse to admit that the black roof in the F80 is natural, flows, suits the design, etc. It did, pretty decently, in the LaFerrari. It doesn't in the F80, at all.

Nevermind...

Question: did we get to see yet any SKETCHES of the F80 early design stages? I'm really looking forward to those.

 

For those who understand Italian:

Cordero di Montezemolo: «Non commento vicenda Elkann, deprime deindustrializzazione mondo auto

 

Yes because sound = energy, which means emozione! I got this from @Traveller

It’s sad the world became full of these haters who are pushing their agenda. This reminds me of a great line in a great tv series “all this happened before…”. Well, this did, the late early 70s-80 were a dark time for the world of sports cars. And we are here again friends, with the same forces aligned against the cars we love.

Back then, it was typical to see the power level of cars drop by over 50%. Now, we get more power, but less involvement. In the long term, the market will speak. In the short term, we can enjoy the technical marvel that is the F80. I think this car will gain greater appreciation the more it is understood, but it will take time, and I am myself just beginning to understand it.

 

Guys there is a light at the end of the tunnel! I know both Novitec and Tubi will make aftermarket exhaust, and I am sure it will sound like something, and that something will be at a minimum interesting. If the car really has less sound than the 296, I am all for putting a new exhaust system on it.

I do not want to be governed by the EU here in the states!

I am not an aftermarket exhaust kind of guy, its so Lamborghini Aventador, but I am also a sports car guy. I do not want my car to be obnoxious, but I do want a symphony of sound through the rev range. I would never imagine that I would do this to a new Ferrari, but if regulations put me in this position, I will gladly fight back with this solution.

Maybe I will be lucky enough to get one that shoots flames

 

So Ferrari will be the sacrificial lamb brought by Elkann to the alter?

 

Don’t misunderstand me, there are still plenty of places in Europe where you can drive fast and safely, and in beautiful locations. There are also many people and countries (definitely not all) where noise is appreciated. The attention you don’t want to attract is from those enforcers of the law who automatically associate loud cars with illicit behaviour. In the UK (and a number of other countries), the police usually take a pragmatic approach. Within reason, they don’t stop you for speeding in all areas, but tend to be much hotter in places where it really is dangerous to abuse the limits. Add loud sound into the situation and the benefit of the doubt will swing against you.

In Germany I was once stopped and told by Police they had been following our group at a distance all morning because they could hear us. As soon as we went over the limit, on went the blue lights. We were stopped on an alp in Austria. The Police told us we hadn’t been speeding but they had had complaints about the noise we were making “so please be quieter”.

My point is not to remove noise, far from it. But that an amount of noise that inspires you, the driver, to drive the car properly is all that is required. An inspiring noise is still one that comes from a thoroughbred engine, it just doesn’t have to be 100 decibels outside.

Someone mentioned earlier that this could progress to objecting to yellow or red cars for example. I don’t think this is a valid extension. They want to limit noise because it is antisocial in a way that a bright colour or a luxury/sports car isn’t. I don’t think that is hard to understand. Do we need to limit to 68db? Not in my opinion, but I’m not the EU. If it is 68db or a 0db EV, well, you don’t need me to tell you which is preferable. We have a F512M with a de-cat Tubi. It is loud and sonorous. But it doesn’t drive anything like a Pista. So we have modern technology affected by modern regulations and older technology with less regulation. The best thing is we get to choose. I personally don’t think it’s worth my (limited) time worrying about something I can’t control. If other people decide that to have a modern supercar, the noise it makes has to be limited (in volume not quality), well I’ll have to deal with that. If the alternative is no ICE, then I’ll accept it. To be able to have different cars in our garage that each provide a different kind of entertainment is enough.

 

Please turn back from this theme for discussion. It has already been reported by someone who disagrees with graeme355's intepretation and expects the moderation team to do something about this "misinformation". Continuing will likely result in more complaints and consequent moderation actions. This usually doesn't end well for one or more parties.

This is why we contain P&R to a specific subscribed section and the moderation rules are different in the P&R section. If you want to express your opinions on these themes, it should be done ONLY in the P&R section.

 

No

 

pun intended

 

Where is the misinformation? There is nothing in my post that is not true. People can disagree, that's fine. But reporting posts because of a difference of opinion reeks of censorship.

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As Yin explained we do limit P&R to one section of the site. If you want to term our containment of political arguments as censorship, you can do that all you want. But you won't do it in this thread anymore. Thread ban.

 

any specific reason we have 2 treads for same topic-f80?

 

Since you decided to send me a nice nastygram via the report button, after conferring with the other Mods I've deleted all your P&R posts outside of P&R and am applying a 1 week site ban.

 

You apparently failed to note that I put "misinformation" in quotes. That was the word used in the report by the user reporting. So arguing with me was misdirected and pointless, what it did instead was continue a political theme after a warning to desist.

Another user who continued the political theme after my post had his post deleted and a temporary thread ban applied by me. He chose to take offense at that, sent a nastygram to the admin, and earned a permanent site ban from the admin as a result.

As I said earlier, continuing to post on political themes outside of P&R usually doesn't end well for those users, as these two users have discovered.

We dont judge or arbitrate between opinions about cars or politics. But we do review posts for compliance to our rules about posting behavior. One of those rules is that P&R is to be discussed ONLY in the designated section. You can express your political opinions freely in that section, but ONLY in that section.

Please keep this in mind when you post.

 

F80 will be wonderful. No noise issues with the police. Just relaxing cruising.

 

F80 is also something more spectacular. I will share an interesting detail by the tomorrow.

 

Thanks @HighOnThunder for following up on my post and clarifying it. You are right that measuring my TdF is not applicable in the way I did it.

Also, I think there may be some good news and I might be wrong on what I wrote. I wrote up a wordy reply but after reading the entire brain numbing and confusing regulation in detail, the number might be 76-77 decibel instead of 68 for 2026. My post was way too long. We need an expert who knows this area. For your enjoyment: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2014/540/2019-05-27
The sound levels are determined by categories and category equations about 2/3rds of the way down with categories M1-M3 for cars. There looked to be enough ambiguity there for quiet (pun intended) exemptions. It is in the “text”
box.

 

Somebody pointed out the Valkyrie can get away with noise because they made a new company that falls under the small manufacturer rules which are very different. I guess that applies to GMA and the T.50 as well.

Worst comes to worst Ferrari can do the same trick. And of course there is always the aftermarket, and companies might even set up their own 'aftermarket' shops so you can have an 'OEM' modification. Of course the name Modificata is already taken in the US by the fellas that did the F355s.

Where you may have gotten confused about the 2024 versus 2026, these regulations come in two waves. The first wave is for type approvals. If a new car is approved for the EU it has to adhere to these regulations, in this case the F80, but also the new GT3RS. But cars that are already approved and on the market, like the 296 GTB, can still exceed these regulations, but only until 1 July 2026, then they also have to conform.

This was true for a previous norm that expired this summer, which meant that cars with an existing type approval could no longer be registered as new cars beyond a certain date (so remaining new stock was registered before that date and sold as 'used' cars after that date). The norm itself didn't change, but it became more strict with regards to how exhaust particles were measured on the road (which is always higher than in perfect lab conditions), which caused certain cars (that don't have a GPF yet) to be taken of the market, because for the manufacturer it was not worth (re-)homologating certain cars with a GPF fitted. Such re-engineering of course is expensive, and they might not sell enough of the model to earn it back or they have a new model planned already.

The next norm (Euro 7) is still the subject of discussion and lobbying, so to an extent the future is still uncertain.

Long story short, I think the F80 can stay the same until Euro 7, by which time all 799 cars might have been made already.

 

Well said .

 

I watched all videos and live presentation. And must say it not fair criticize F80 sound. Not forgot that F80 was only street car at circuict in same time with all only track cars without road regulations. Of course, not sound as track only car because it is street car. I think in F80 is so many amazing racing tech from F1 / WEC. Also looks how sounded F1 cars in 2014 when arrive new regulations and how sound F1 cars now.

And must say when is car on street without much louder racing cars it not sound bad as many it describe.
https://www.tiktok.com/@therealvarryx/video/7426038912264457504
https://www.tiktok.com/@therealvarryx/video/7426362361847500064

Yes it is just my opinion. For me F80 is masterpiece and I like this car in everyone aspect.