Ferrari F80

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Great commentary @Lukeylikey, thank you. It seems we hold the average politician and bureacrat in similar esteem.

I do wonder what Enzo would have done. Maybe he would have loved EVs. They are fast. Or maybe he would have hated them and gone down with the ICE ship. We'll never know.

But clearly with today's structure, any expectation that management would risk the company's survival to defend some principles (which they may or may not even share with me) is clearly unrealistic.

I also wonder if they are quietly lobbying for more reasonable regulations, but going about it quietly. That would make sense. You wouldn't want to announce "yeah, we're doing our best to kill these EV requirements because EVs are lame" if there's a high probability that EVs will be forced on you. (That said, I suspect that this management team cares as much about stability in regulations as the content of the regulations themselves.)

 

Other than the mustache, I think it's pretty good looking. I don't adore it, but I don't dislike it and can easily see it growing on me.

But, I doubt I will ever get past the mustache...

 

The 499P, be it the LMH car or the Modificata, is approximately 8 seconds quicker around Fiorano than the F80.

The on-track difference is enormous between a real racecar and a street-legal car, no matter how "track-oriented" or powerful the latter is. There is a reason the so-called "mega" cars like the Koenigsegg Jesko Attack and the Czinger-whatever are 4-5 seconds slower than a lowly Challenge car around a short-ish track like Laguna Seca. And the Challenge car isn't even a real-real racecar...

 

No chance the F80 is faster than a 499P.

 

But uglier it is for sure.

Marcel Massini

 

Almost enough camo to hide it's ugliness. (almost)

 

I see still a lot of bad feelings about F80, I wonder what really thinks that 799 customers who have chance to order one, maybe they think only about resale profit?

 

Bashing, Bashing,Bashing…
Tiresome in the end.

 

I think the brand has never been in more trouble. The days when guys would buy every car in order to aspire to Top Client status are over. Who wants to tie up their capital in millions of dollars of Ferraris when the reward is a $4M ugly car with a V6 that may not even achieve a $500K profit on resale?

 

I’m puzzled by all the hate.

 

Ferrari profits are excellent but prestige was harm a little and cars in the future from non limited series will depreciate only faster

 

As there is no Fiorano’s lap time for the 499P, it is not possible to know what the exact difference is to the 1:15.30 lap time of the F80. However, the 8 second difference seems to me to be perfectly possible.

 

Personally, I am working on building my relationship with my Porsche dealer in order to secure the next Porsche hypercar. Also GMA.

 

Next Porsche hypercar ?
The EV mission X?

 

As there is no information about the 499P's acceleration, it is not possible to compare it directly with the F80. However, as we know that the Power to Weight ratio is one of the indicators of how accelerative a car can be, as the PW ratio of the 499P is 0.924 and that of the F80 is 0.786, the former will necessarily have to be faster than the later. Therefore, I rectify what I wrote just based on the total power of each car.

 

Porsche needs money so we can expect a large build quantity (>1,000) and price (>$2.5M).

 

what GMA? T33?

 

I wasn’t speculating. ;-)

 

Can I ask then how you arrived at that difference of approximately 8 seconds?

 

F80: Ferrari’s quoted time.

499P: Some clients and their associates have driven the 499P Modificata on Fiorano. The delta between the Modificata and the LMH car is reasonably well understood.

 

I have a T33 Spider on order.

 

It's not going to be an EV. Porsche scrapped that. It'll be hybrid most certainly.

 

I like the F80.

 

when it is functioning, i enjoy it frequently !

the funny thing about that car is that i can bring it to any car show anywhere at any time, and it is the star.
there might be Chiron's, LaF's, or Eggs etc, but the F40 is the one they drool over.

the only car i would ever trade it for is a Zonda, fwiw.