Ferrari F80

Those V10s sounded glorious. The V10 in the CGT has a very similar character. I've heard the major third argument, which makes sense - V10s do have a very harmonious note.

Still, I'm not sure I would pick them over a V12. I loved those early-90s seasons with V8s, V10s and V12s all on the same track. The variety improved the experience. But the V12 in the 412 T1/2 was the one that really burrowed it's way into my soul.

 

That video had an Interesting theory of V10 harmonics at the end. But I don't personally agree.

I have always felt that V12's in 412 T1 (1994) and 412 T2 (1995) were the best sounding. Their build up from lower revs to max revs sounded more never ending than those of V10's.

Also, due to 12 cylinders, 412 T2 still holds the record for all time highest frequency F1 engine. V10's eventually revved higher but fell slightly short on firing frequency.

Great sounding 412 T1 at Fiorano:

 

I have already expressed it, but it is voluntary, nothing better than the Alpha car to ensure the transition with EV and prepare for the sound volume of the cars in the range that will appear from 2026.

 

I was there, a few meters from the car, no sound !

 

It’s true that sound has been an important part of the appeal, but not in first place. Or even second or third place. When I was young and into poster cars, the 328, 348 and Testarossa were the main offerings from Ferrari. I own a Testarossa. Nobody keeps a stock exhaust except for Classiche purposes. It’s quiet and muffled. Put something like a TUBI on it and wow!! It sounds like an F1 car, absolutely insane. So if I’m honest, looks was first place, the promise of speed second and the promise of handling third. Then came sound, after all, they never sounded that loud. There are plenty of other similar Ferrari examples from history. So we cannot say that sound has been getting worse for years. In the 2000’s Ferrari began to realise that more sound was a good thing. Yet many customers still replaced the stock exhaust with aftermarket exhausts. Whatever they do isn’t good enough and that is absolutely nothing new for Ferrari. They can’t win. Now that they cannot legally sell loud cars, what has been lost? The proposition is still the same. For many customers, buy a Ferrari, fit an exhaust. C’est la vie.

 

Too much risk to swap exhaust. Heat is one thing ECU is another. So if they offer sport exhaust for none EU countries, it will be great.

 

Sorry, but I respectfully say that the comparison is not valid.

An N/A, even if it is a little silent in the factory configuration, has the potential to be a beast when the exhaust is changed. All, simply all N/A Ferraris have this potential.

The N/A breathes freely, it will always sound great. An exhaust only releases the immense potential.

The F355 or 360, for example, has a modest standard sound, but any exhaust that is installed, becomes a symphony. Or a 575M when you install a Tubi or Fiammenghi. There are so many examples.

As for turbos, especially the 296 V6, there is no miracle exhaust that makes it sound really good. The standard sound has a nice note, but weak in intensity and depth, and changing the exhaust worsens the sound quality, making it polluted, artificial and full of whistles.

 

In this family of cars that started with the 288 GTO, in terms of the sound quality of the various engines we’ve seen an upgrade, a stabilization and also a downgrade. The upgrade happened after the GTO and F40 when the V8 twin turbo engines were substituted by the V12s. Although the V12S that equip the F50 and the Enzo both sound more classic and purr , unlike the more high-pitched shriek like an F1 sound of the LaFerrari, when we compare the three IMO there is no clear winner as each has its distinguish sound beauty. However, based on the testimony of the majority of those who have heard the F80 live in Monza and around Maranello, it’s undeniable that there has been a notorious sound downgrade from the previous model LaFerrari.

 

There are many turbos where people don’t complain about the sound. This includes the first two in the Ferrari hyper line plus various Astons etc. Nobody could successfully argue a turbo sounds better than a n/a V12 but they bring other benefits and can still sound really good. The point I am addressing is that Ferraris have continuously been getting worse for sound which is not true. A stock 812 sounds better than a stock Testarossa. Add the exhaust and it reverses.

 

In volume certainly. There will never again be a road going hyper Ferrari louder than F80. Since we are comparing a V6 turbo to a n/a V12, in quality too. However, the unanswered question is what quality is the sound to the driver, how does it make him feel as he or she is piloting the car? For the price paid, since there is an ICE in the back, it should make its presence firmly felt in the cockpit. As for loud external exhaust noise, that day has passed. I can’t see why we should blame Ferrari for that. It’s fine to say somebody prefers LaFerrari or even F40 and therefore they would not buy or desire an F80. But there are those who still will. And it’s unreasonable to project onto Ferrari that they are happy making quiet, regulation-meeting, hyper cars. For them it is added cost and complexity, diverted resources and incessant complaining. Why would they prefer this? We want to say they are money greedy but also happy to spend plenty of extra money on things that make the car quieter? I don’t think so.

 

In the case of the F80 and for the reasons that have already been mentioned before in this thread, I agree with you that we cannot blame Ferrari for the weak sound of its V6 twin turbo hybrid although we should mention it. The reality is that this hybrid V6 represents the state of the art given current conditions and is inspired by a winning engine in the world of competition.
This brings us to the question of how important engine sound is these days for customers purchasing a Ferrari. Honestly, I don't feel qualified to answer such a difficult question, although there is information that indicates that the age group and profile of Ferrari buyers have changed substantially in recent years.
What I know is that the overwhelming majority of those who previously bought a Ferrari valued its engines' distinctive sound, I would venture to say almost as much as the aesthetics of the cars. Proof that this was the case is that Ferrari designed its engines to emphasize sound quality and uniqueness and an example of this was the different geometry and materials it used on the exhaust manifolds.

Since what used to be a Ferrari in terms of sound and aesthetics seems like it may never be again, what I feel is that all those who have Ferraris V12s or V8s whose sound and aesthetics they love , as is my case, are keeping them as if they were precious.

 

If it's either of these types of engine then I think few will complain
single turbo I6 (twin turbo I6 sounds bad)
single turbo I5
twin turbo crossplane v8
twin turbo v12(as long as it is not as muffled as the sl65)

Honestly I find the giula tt V6 better sounding compared to the 296. But still that doesn't mean that this is completely valid:

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In terms of the V12 from testarossa up to 812 it is progression in terms of sound but in terms of the ferrari hypercar engine sound it is a regression imho.

 

Did Ferrari declare 0-300 time at any point?
Mclaren quotes 12.7 for the W1, which I think is crazy!
I looked for information but there is nothing official.
Could it be that they didn't do it because McLaren previously declared a figure the F80 can't reach?

 

In relation to the sound of the F80 the overwhelming majority of those who make up the automotive journalistic world have said very little or nothing about it. However, Italian journalist Andrea Senatore from Clubalfa.it expressed in writing what he heard and didn't hear at the last Ferrari on the track event in Imola where the Ferrari F80 shared the track with some of the brand's most iconic modern racing cars, including the Le Mans-winning 499P. A.S wrote the following confirming the statement also left here by Day355:

“On the track in Imola, the sound of the V6 of the new Ferrari F80 doesn't make you fall in love. There is no doubt that the appearance of the F80 is impressive and attention-grabbing. However, it is surprising for its extreme silence in motion, an aspect that particularly stands out compared to the other cars on the track. Since it has been confirmed that the Ferrari F80 features an updated V6, there have been concerns about its sound.....The engine appears very messy and the driver probably didn't push it to the limit due to the wet conditions but it is clear that Ferrari focused more in performance than in aural emotion.”

In terms of numbers the F80 and the MacLaren W1 both seem impressive but I'm curious to know how they compare in terms of sound.

 

Could be, though I don't think F80 is much slower than W!, but weight may impact, aero efficiency is likely not worse, so....
They dind't reveal Fiorano laptime officially though, at least on website

 

Considering how hard the W1 reels in the F80 from 100-200, anything is possible.

 

Here's a love letter.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a62611826/2026-ferrari-f80-revealed/

 

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I think 0-300 km/h figures are generally a bit unreliable as it is heavily affected by various elements, especially for hybrids which might get battery limited by then.

Model | Claimed | Actual (based on video)
LaFerrari | 15 s | ~ 22 s
McLaren P1 | 16.5 s | ~ 20 s

If W1's figure is real, I would assume F80 does it within 15 seconds. But then again, is McLaren's figure a bit optimistic based on their battery size?

 

You can't really say that and surely one cannot extrapolate from random videos. What we know is that instrument tested, the LaFerrari does 0-150 mph (0-241.5 kph) in 9.7'', which make the 15'' claim believable. The P1 was a few tenths slower to 150 mph. Also, Ferrari's performance numbers have been on the spot for a number of years now and a 50% discrepancy is just out of the question.

Unless the F80 hits an aerodynamic wall past 200 kph (which is doubtful with all the trick aero), there is no way it needs 9'' to reach 300 from 200. A figure close to that of the W1 is the most logical conjecture. Of course for proof of all that, we will have to wait for independent testing.


PS: The SF90 Stradale did the 0-300 in 16'' in independent tests.

 

Good pics
Red paint is gorgeous

https://www.instagram.com/p/DBeUtwFKnUY/?igsh=MTVpajd5cW9qbWFydw==

 

F80 = Ninja = fast, silent and dressed in black

 

You have a valid point. Hard to trust random tests.

Anyway, I'm a bit sceptic about these new generation hypercars with their small batteries. Especially about W1.

Let's calculate how long F80 and W1 can provide the max electric power.
Formula:
Duration (s) = Battery capacity (kWh) / Motor power (kW) * 3600 (s)

Model | Motor power | Battery capacity | Battery duration with max power (100% => 0%)
F80 | 300 PS => 221 KW | 2.28 kWh | 37.2 seconds
W1 | 347 PS => 255 kW | 1.384 kWh | 19.5 seconds

So the theoretical limit for maximum electric power in W1 is only 19.5 seconds. However, I'm certain that they can't discharge the whole battery from 100% to 0%, especially not under 20 seconds. It would overheat the battery and kill it in the long run. I doubt W1 can provide full power the whole 0-300 km/h run. F80 might be able to do this.

 

someone may notest quite a few cracks and big put holes. Before ingnorats say anything, they are there for testing purposes

 

F80 have the MGU-H that, at high pressure/rpm, supply the battery constantly....
obviously it does not completely cancel the discharge factor, because it cannot provide the max energy required "perpetually", but in actual conditions, this effectively remove any cut to the electric motors even on long straights. Apart from that, the mere sum of the power of the electric motors is higher than which is declared. I think that Ferrari play "a bit" in this terms behinf the classic "system power" which takes into account lots factors