Max Verstappen

I watch Sky F1. They are British. I completely expected them to cheer more for the British drivers to give extra coverage to the British drivers, etc. I expect Italian TV and media to favor Ferrari, Dutch media to favor Max, and so on. When it comes to biased journalism, I do not like it at all regardless of broadcast or media outlet or who it is talking. I don't like anyone that says when Lando dive bombs and drives others off the track is good hard racing, and when Max does it he gets labeled a dirty driver that should be penalized or even banned. I don't like Italy making Ferrari out like gods, regardless what they do. I don't watch or read Italian media so I don't feed myself biased nonsense. I don't care for F1's Instagram making dozens of posts about Lewis Hamilton, many about the clothes he wears. Yet the best driver on the grid gets very little coverage, the most popular team (Ferrari) gets very little also in comparison.

It's very simple. I do not like unfair and unjust bias from any form of media. I watch the Skysport F1 broadcast (British) and I enjoy most of it and most of the people. I really enjoy Rosberg and Brundle. I think Chandhok, Davidson, Button, Collins, Naomi and formerly PdR are good. Naturally there is going to be some bias as I mentioned, but when it comes to controversial topics at times they wrongfully chose in favor of the Brits. I won't agree with that. Then there is Damon Hill, Ted Kravits, and Johnny Herbert who have a track record of being extremely biased. If they something correct, I'm not going to disagree with them because I dont like them. But I do not like them as people because of their history of bias and the garage narrative they dish out.

 

Chris, ever thought about watching and following another sport, to get so worked up about it cannot be good for you. Really its just about their opinion and it not dovetailing with yours.

I take it you mean Verstappen as the best driver on the grid, he may well be the better driver but remember not all the drivers on the grid have had the pleasure of driving the best car on the grid. Hamilton had the best car and made the most of it.

Pitting Verstappen against Perez is a non starter but i am sure there are others on the grid who could match Verstappen given the right tools!

Thats why I dont follow drivers, they come and go but most are all full of ........

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tony

 

Respectfully disagree. Challenge but not quite match IMO.

 

Seems like nothing anyone says here satisfies what you're looking for.

You've argued that only really value opinions and views from those inside F1 (including journalists). Everything you asked was explained or answered, but that wasn't good enough.

You've argued in defense to Damon Hill. It's been explained why he isn't approved by man followers, largely due to his bias. It almost seems upsetting to you that people don't like Damon.

You've argued a confusing circle around bias. It's been explained a number of a different ways how the bias is what a lot of people do not like. For whatever reason, you are not satisfied with these answers.

What exactly do you want at this point?

 

Chris, it doesnt matter what I think, if thats your viewpoint on F1 commentators then so be it, I tend to think most (not all) give their opinion based on their interpretation of events.

I am not sure that I argue a defence for Damon Hill or any other, I dont know the guy, i can believe or dismiss his comments very easily, but i dont dissect or hang on his every word or more to the point lose any sleep over it!.

Just respect that a Brit commentator doesnt represent the British F1 fan.....dont herd everyone into the same barn.
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Tony

 

Perhaps, we'll never know ;-)

 

Then I think we align that everyone has an opinion to a given situation and we take each situation as its own. We all can like or dislike or be indifferent to anyone we want.

When the journalists and/or media put out comments to a given person or individual, I think it makes for enjoyable conversation amongst other F1 followers. Be it something I agree with or something I disagree with, it can make for good conversation with like minded people and even with those completely apposed with my views. The beauty of forums such as these.

While one could throw a blanket generalized opinion over the British fanbase or the British media based on the averages, I would certainly hope not everyone categorizes every individual based on this generalization. That's a quick jump from a blanket stereotype to a prejudice form of discrimination.

 

I can go along with that, the key word is "anyone we want" not everyone. A healthy debate is good but glad you see the point i am making, these journalists (all of them) do it or say it to create a news line for their editor, it pumps up the show and gets people talking. We call it stirring the S**t

Lets just call out a individual for their comment rather than an all encompassing statement, that way we dont offend anyone.

Cheers
Tony

 

Hahaha this is a funny forum when no racing is on

 

But we do know, w've seen Max and Charles fighting on several ocasions with very similarly competitive cars, and sometimes max won, other charles did, i think it's pretty obvious that they are both just as talented.

 

Yes, we know that Leclerc can be fast but not as consistent as Verstappen,.
In the last 3 years, Leclerc hasn't won 2 races in succession, even when the Ferrari was the best car.

 

Not in the rain......Max is ABOVE ALL!!!

 

I don't read the dutch media as I'm not interested in them.

We can drag a Ferrari driver in this though if you like....Leclerc himself said on the Mexico incidents that he expects plenty of drivers actually fighting for a title would probably have done the same.

I don't give a toss about Damon Hill and ''it happening to him before" (has he got ptsd or something?). As per the rules in Austin, Max was allowed to do what he did in T4 Mexico. The rules didn't change, the stewards did. And one of the stewards has gone on record in saying how much he dislikes Max. It's not Max's fault that the rules allow him to race how he does, he he's within the rules, they can't penalize him. Mexico T7 was penalty worthy for sure. T4? Nope.

 

So why doesnt the rest o f the field do it and when someone else does they are to blame in your racing manual, especially against Verstappen!

So Damon isnt on your Christmas list but at least he had the grace to act professionally about it and wasnt a dirty driver, Verstappen is just whinging over the radio all the time, for me he is OK when things go his way but a brat when challenged, that why i dont like the guy.

Pity, as they candy coat every thing to do with Verstappen which btw was great to see

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Tony

 

They do, but because those moves rarely are for the podium let alone the win, it hardly gets any attention.

ALL drivers whinge on the radio, I don't like it any more than you do.

 

Thats exactly my point as well, its done to spice up the show, create hysteria & exaggerate the confrontation, more about viewing figures then anything else. What would the modern F1 circus be without a drama, yes its been around for years but never at this level.

So, Let me see if i get this straight, you hate the Brit media especially Sky because you think they are a noxious bunch of A-holes but you watch the world wide coverage of F! by them. There is a simple solution my friend.
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Tony

 

I watch using F!TV these days so have jolyon palmer and likely Hinnchcliffe or whoever joins him that weekend. It's sure as hell more balanced to say the least.

So you admit there is British bias then, which kinda renders this whole conversation mute.

 

You use the term British bias, thats a rather sweeping statement, of course there is to a lot of British citizens who support their fellow countryman, same for the Brazilians, dutch, Germans etc etc. The media can be biased but the its not solely a Brit thing.

Great you dont watch Sky F1, glad you enjoy another Brit pundit though. Why slag off Hill and other Sky pundits then?..........come on stop arguing just for the sake of it.

 

I can't contest that, i thik Charles is very good in the wet, but unlike Max he still hasn't properly showed it, so, for now i have to agree, Max in the rainmaster.

 

I also remind you that max carved trough the field in brazil very easily...but he didn't manage to pass Charles, this despite teh Ferari being a slower car, even Max admited hedidn't overtook Charles because he was driving well, justa s Charles admited Max won because he drove brilliantly, they clearly have mutual respect, i don't think Max respects Norris as a driver, despite being his friend.

 

FIFY but I prefer your word choice

 

What we witnessed in Brazil was pure masterclass driving from Max.

To be honest he’s far from anyone else when it’s raining.

 

@TonyL


Thought you might like to know that Damon Hill is exiting the SkySports F1 punditry role after 13 years on the program.

 

He seemed a bit ill at ease and forced on camera, not a natural. I wish him well.

 

Do you think that will stop the criticism against SkySports ?
I don't think so.