Ferrari F80 value thread

Well, I gave some explanation in my post above but j09333’s post is also similar to how I feel. The LaFerrari was someone else’s car that we now own. I’ve driven it a little and it’s been ok in financial terms. I don’t need to own it as a trophy so if I move it on I’m happy to let someone else own it, see what it’s like, love it. The F80 will be ‘our’ car. It will be state-of-the-art in terms of racing tech transferred to a proper Ferrari road car and whatever happens to it, we will have been the people who spec’d it and owned it first. For the amount we drive it, whether it’s V12, V8 or V6, it will be Ferrari’s pinnacle and it will have much to reward the owner/driver. I plan to drive it a bit, maybe a couple of thousand miles over 5 years. Then just keep it. Not only will it be a part of Ferrari history but ours too. Life is better with great experiences and I hope this will be one.

 

I dont understand whats unique with F80

Suspension is from Purosangue
Engine is from 296

Almost everything is taken from existing models, but not unique.

I dont see this other way than BIG cash grab

When LaF came out there was no hybrid, they had 599 as HY KERS that was concept car. LaF had the first digital screen cockpit, active aero.. All this was new... I dont see any new stuff on this F80...

 

Future appreciation will be interesting to see on F80s..

 

I think in this instance it rather depends on how well the car is actually accepted in the market place because this car is a major departure on the prior formula and perhaps the only "comparable" car might be the F40 as it does not have a V12 but that comparison would not work because the intangibles associated with it, Enzo presenting the car and its status as an icon being evident virtually from launch.

The appreciation of the F80 will I think be a function of whether investors see cars as a "safe" investment and here the Ferrari badge helps......so yes perhaps mid term there might be some upside and there will I''m sure be some speculating in the short term.

 

the only problem is ferrari dislike it, there's an owner who had every car from new - f40,f50,enzo,la (selling each one to buy the new one) and was told he wasn't getting a f80 mostly because of this reason. he'd lost a lot on his sf90 and 296 etc so decided to get out of the brand recently.

 

This is totally incomprehensible. The LaFerrari had the same dampers' magnetorheological technology (not the same specs) as the 458. Likewise, the F80 and the Purosangue; same principle different specs and application. Also, LaFerrari's basic engine design was the same as that of the Enzo, of course much improved and optimised. Thus, I don't understand where you are coming from...

 

I know what you are saying.
For SF90XX, initially, I was denied for this reason too. I drive the car hard for 2 years(normal production ones) and then sell it usually. And Ferrari didn’t like it. I sold Pista Spider after one year, being not special enough and they really didn’t like it.

Turning point was SF90XX for which, I had to buy back the SF90 I sold to dealership couple months before the 90XX allocation.
It was the point I had to decide if I should give up the brand or keep going until F80 and beyond for 10 years more.
From this point on, I kept every car.

So, in the end, as you know I ended up with V6 hybrid 4WD hypercar with enormous price tag. Bugatti is indeed cheap lol.
If next Icona is something like V8 something not V12, I will be really really sorry for myself
I need to drive a Ferrari with V12 in the back for once.

Well, such is life. You don’t know what you get until you bite it. But being a Ferrari suc*er, I feel better with F80 than no F80.

 

why they are upset? no profit from resale?

 

What a Circus you are describing. Where is the passion?

I am sure the above only applies to a portion of F80 buyers. The rest has plenty of passion (and money). Like you say: Good for them!

 

Passion... that was before that ! Today it's just business for news customers.This place where we are represents a tiny minority that bothers Ferrari more than anything else.Whether there are 4 or 6 cylinders doesn't matter to them, they just want to make money with it.
Welcome to the new world of Ferrari !!!
These cars are not intended to drive,these are stock portfolios... Even here in Monaco, we don't see them anymore... and yet it's not even worth half the price of a 250 swb, but it's not the same customers

 

Very sad. Perhaps this was best illustrated for me recently when I met an owner of a blue corsa 488 who had added yellow stripes ala 3445 gt, I doubt he even knows what a 250 GTO is.

 

I was barely 18 years old and the owners came to ride on the circuit in a club with their 250 gto on weekends.
The owners took out their F40. F50 several times a week to ride in the mountains above Monaco...
Gabriele Cavallari, Ferrari dealer, drove his Enzo every day...
It's all over, it's the world of before, the one I loved and that no longer exists. I don't even see an F 12 tdf driving anymore, here, in the richest place on the planet!!
Cars are no longer just stock portfolios, nothing more.
So, yes, it's sad, it's another time, the one when we repaint the F12 tdf in pink...

 

Indeed it is sad but not to derail the thread too much its also up to those of us who appreciate what Ferrari truly is to keep talking about the passion that is so integral to the company and the cars its builds. Though the F80 could have been any car and people would still buy it, Ferrari has pushed the limits a bit here in terms of pricing and the car itself.

As for that world, to me it does still exist amongst the member on this forum and I'd like to think in the Ferrari Clubs around the world.

As an aside there was a truly beautiful 250 SWB parked next to a SP3 in Monaco...

 

Yes, a red one !

 

Most of the conversions are being done on fairly cheap models at the bottom of their depreciation cycles, though, and it doesn’t actually require removing any parts aside from a few interior parts. I’m not sure we’ll see anyone heavily modifying a LaFerrari any more than we’ll see an Enzo manual conversion. Would love to be wrong on the latter, though!

Sincerely curious here - what makes the SP3 a worse drivers car than the LaF?

 

Am wondering the same thing.

 

I'd take SP3 over LaF in a heartbeat!

 

That’s a tough one.
F40, f50 and then everything else.

 

If you're patient, look up @fanchracing on instagram and try to find his posts on the matter. He's candid about the differences between them, in a good way. he owns both - and a lot more.

 

@fanchracing (Francois Perrodo) owns almost everything lol. Great collection no doubt.. Being billionaire helps much

 

I agree. We have mutual friend who drove his 812 Competizione around Portugal and Spain, I drove our Competizione to Le Mans for the 100th running, around the track and back home again. There are people still around who drive expensive and rare cars for passion. We don’t see many TDFs being driven because they are older now. Owners drive for a couple of years and then either sell or keep them - and move onto the next ‘undiscovered’ car. This year I took our Speciale to Spa after hardly driving it for 5 years (Mille Miglia 2019 was the last time in anger) - it’s still worth something like 50% more than we paid for it. Passion for Ferrari is still very much alive and well. Is it true that some put away their F50s, Enzos and LaFerraris for value reasons? Of course yes. I know a really passionate guy who collects and doesn’t drive his cars. It’s just not what he wants. But he’s just about the most passionate Ferrari fan I know and a great guy too. He observes his passion in other ways. Passion causes people to do many things and in many different ways. It’s still passion.

Literally every one of our ‘special’ cars has plenty of miles on. And the people I know seem to do the same. I don’t buy into this narrative that things aren’t what they used to be and we should moan about it. Every brand has to evolve. And its followers must evolve with it. The people who preferred things as they used to be don’t own the brand. The brand belongs to everybody, and what it means to everyone is something different - good or bad. That’s how brands work. There is not a right view of a brand (marketing 101 here). A brand is the collective meaning in the minds of the wider public. It evolves as new people engage and old people leave. Nobody commands it.