Ferrari F80

Yes, both categories of sound symposer devices - 1) flexible membrane and 2) rigid plate plus elastic element - are a mass-spring system that describes the physics. And you know what else is a mass-spring system? A (passive) speaker.

We can agree on that. But as I explained in a number of posts, if sound symposer devices of the second category, like Ferrari's Sound Generator, are to be considered a diaphragm, they should also be considered a speaker.

Come on now. You said there is no 'speaker' in the intake system, and the post even said the sound generator is just a diaphragm. I think it's very clear what the implication was. And it's incorrect. There is no diaphragm in the intake system without it also being a (passive) speaker. No amount of backtracking can cover this - it was incorrect and that's all, no big deal.

At least people got so turned off by this thread that they stopped crying about the F80 being ugly and a V6 etc. Crying about sound symposer semantics and patent lingo, I consider that progress! BEST. THREAD. EVER.

 

And guess what? The F12, 812 Superfast and FF employ (two per sound tube) a simple MEMBRANE HOLDER PIPE, ie a category 1 sound symposer device, which is a fraction of the price of the SOUND GENERATOR, which is a category 2 sound symposer device, and thus a (passive) speaker.

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You’ll have to excuse me for not continuing this discussion. I feel the collective fchat dissatisfaction with what has become a tiring thread derailment. I’ll leave it at just posting a quote from your original post on what type of ‘speaker’ (notice the quotes) you were talking about and let others make up their mind what you were implying. It’s enough that I’m happy with what I know of the F80. Everyone will have their own view and that’s as it should be.

“The specifics of this Ferrari speaker are unknown to me based on the info above, maybe it simply amplifies the sound it receives through the pipe, maybe it plays sound from one or more microphones around the engine or exhaust, maybe it plays synthesised sound that mixes with the natural sound in the pipe.”

 

You weren't that sensitive to collective fchat dissatisfaction when you felt the need to defend Ferrari ad nauseam for making a 3 million pound Dyson. Funny that. But by all means, go back to that.

 

Should have, but haven't yet.
You are absolutely right about real life vs photos,
was checking 296 gts yesterday, and thinking how so many curves and other things are lost in photos.

 

75% of this thread is not about the F80, it's a rerun of the South Park episode where George Lucas and Steven Spielberg (literally) rape the legacy of the Indiana Jones trilogy. With the bad guys in this thread being Manzoni, Vigna/Elkann. And someone defending them tirelessly.

I do agree by the way. It is what it is. It seems people have gotten over it by now, or I just drowned them out by discussing a part/device that will be absolutely crucial to the F80 sounding even remotely good. You are welcome!

 

not surprising that non VIP customers are being offered F80 slots.

 

Those who heard the F80 in Imola are practically unanimous about its sonic performance. Many even say that it's its biggest Achilles heel because it doesn't live up to what should be the sound of the fastest road-legal Ferrari of all time. However, among the most optimistic there were those who claimed that the rainy conditions in which the F80 was presented on the Imola track were the main reason for its boring and sometimes almost inaudible sound.

As the first video below of the F80 in Fiorano with a dry track attest, its powerless voice seems to be something chronic that has nothing to do with the weather conditions. However, this F80's vocal problem is not something irremediable and it certainly has a cure, not so that it will one day be able to sing like a V12 NA but so that it at least becomes audible and will have a less boring tonality.

In the second video below, we can also hear the 499P in Fiorano and it seems to me that the difference to the F80 is very noticeable. For this reason, and given the high price of the F80, it is very likely that some of the future owners will demand that Ferrari deliver the car to them with a 499P voice.

 

It does look better with the wing fully up for sure.

 

Happened with Laf as well.

 

My understanding is the MGU-H that comes from the F1 programme is partly responsible for a reduction in sound volume. I think this is something the 499P does not have, if I am correct, then it may not be possible to increase the sound volume of the F80. Which would be a shame, as it’s clear the car could use both better external tonal quality as well as sheet sound volume. And yes, it does matter how it sounds inside, but, a hypercar has to also inspire and capture the imagination of everyone who sees it, very few will be able to drive it, but, everyone around it will see and hear it going by. The reaction needs to be “Momma Mia!!!”….

 

{that should say sheer sound volume, though some of you might say it was a Freudian slip! }

 

I just listened to a documentary about John Surtees. He is (was) the ONLY person to win world championships on both two and four wheels. Note: I love motorcycles and I guess that am stuck in the past. Surtees joined Ferrari in 1963. He won the 1964 Formula One Championship with Ferrari. Surtees often seemed to prefer the V6. It is very interesting to hear him say that "in 1964 we had the choice between 6, 8, and 12 cylinder engines". The final race that won him the F1 World Championship (by ONE point) was done with a V8. In racing it is not about what you want to hear or what you think is fastest only winning counts.

The F80 is not for me. However, the F80 is, and eventually will be, recognized as awesome. I like the design (maybe because I am from Denmark - home of LEGO). One of the things that stand out to me is the emphasis put on driver focus and driver placement relative to the passenger - just awesome. No doubt that technology from the TWO time Le Mans winning 499P has made it to the F80. When you win - the discussion is over. I am looking forward to tests of the F80, especially against other cars in that league.

 

That must be the most ignorant comment written on this thread, given the car's technology and performance. It surprises me coming from you, since your other posts indicate that you are anything but ignorant. Au contraire, you are well versed in technical matters, but you are letting your personal hatred towards new technology and regulations skew your outlook of what is a technological marvel.

Good luck homologating such a thing for road use...

 

I am not only well versed in technical matters, I am also well versed in satire. If you condense all the hate and F80 bashing from previous pages into one ignorant characterization you get "3 million pound Dyson".

I don't feel sorry for the Ferrari VIPS (as below) that are upset about the price, engine and number of cars though. They like capitalism when it fills their pockets with cash to buy expensive toys, but when Ferrari beats them at their 'greed is good' game, they get butthurt. Ferrari knows the F80 is going to be a nightmare in warranty repairs. The post about the bricked cars is also satire, but satire usually contains uncomfortable truths. If Ferrari want to make any money on the F80, it has to be this price.

 

@HighOnThunder Since your disposition was whimsical, I will have to agree with what you said.

 

" Mama mia "

 

You are right, homologation becomes impossible

 

Good luck homologating such a thing for road use...[/QUOTE]

The 799 allocations of the F80 are aimed at a clientele that knows very well what the sound of a Ferrari should be and therefore, most likely, will not be able to live with such a muffled and boring factory sound. Many of these owners I'm certain will end-up changing the exhaust system to make the F80 sound more like a 499P.
When someone pays close to 4 million Euros for a car, homologation of the exhaust system or possible fines for excess decibels will not be part of their concerns.

 

The 799 allocations of the F80 are aimed at a clientele that knows very well what the sound of a Ferrari should be and therefore, most likely, will not be able to live with such a muffled and boring factory sound. Many of these owners I'm certain will end-up changing the exhaust system to make the F80 sound more like a 499P.
When someone pays close to 4 million Euros for a car, homologation of the exhaust system or possible fines for excess decibels will not be part of their concerns.[/QUOTE]


Sound matters. I still wish non EU cars to have louder exhaust. Also, I want car to sound straight forward. No hiding those mechanical turbo sound and such. Unique sound of Veyron comes into mind. Veyron is so true to its mechanical sound, sound volume is low but sound itself is interesting and Unique. Ferrari hardly fails up to this point. Lets hope they do this right this time too.

 

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An OEM cannot homologate and sell a car that is not compliant with the laws of the jurisdiction they are sold in. Contrary to what you may believe, wealthy owners are not above the law.
Owners can do what they please once they become in possession of their cars, but in some countries their cars may even be seized if they fail a sound level test.

 

Currently in terms of sound, the different Ferrari models are clearly divided into three groups. Those who were made before the implementation of EU noise Regulation 540/2014 and who are largely classics already, those who are in compliance with this Regulation that was applied from July 2016 and finally, those who are complying or will have to comply with the maximum noise level value of 68 dB for passenger cars, which will come into force in 2026.

We will therefore have three categories of Ferraris, the Fortissimos, the mezo-fortes and the pianissimos. As Regulation 2026 is only for new cars and omits all others, it is understood that the later will only have to comply with the legislations that were in force in the year in which they were registered. As sound has always been a very important part of the experience of driving a Ferrari and this has been lost with the Pianissimos newer models, what will happen is that the Fortissimo Ferraris will become more and more valued and desirable.

PS- I could be wrong but I honestly doubt that many of the F80 owners will support living with such a quiet and uninteresting factory sound.

 

I feel like Ferrari can and should develop a race exhaust system/tune with a disclaimer that it’s for ‘off road’ use only. They could easily charge $100K for this. Companies like Ducati already do this (in partnership with Akrapovic).

 

It is probably better for the aftermarket to supply such a setup.