Ferrari F80

Photoshop ?

 

Probably yes.
Window reflection looks reddish.
Also, the yellow front badge is not yellow anymore, whereas the shields and calipers look yellowish.

Marcel Massini

 

They will most likely swallow their own tongue when they put the pedal to the metal...

 

Or...for any market that isn't the EU/UK. In other words, where 80% of the cars will be sold. Those other markets may follow suit, but I don't believe they have yet.

That would be fine, except that Ferrari warranty policies discourage aftermarket solutions for the first x years of the car's life. If Ferrari relaxes those policies, I'm sure these solutions would be extremely popular on the "pianissimos" in particular.

 

For the Valk lovers here, this is a great video and highlights why people love the idea of a truly race-bred car with a V12 and light weight. Car looks great and is in its element on the track. As they conclude, it’s stretching the point of what a road car can be but that’s the point. It’d be too much for me to bother with on the road - the risk, the noise, the discomfort, the start-up procedure - I can’t imagine driving it very much on the road. But trailer it to the track and it would be great. It certainly looks like nothing else and it’s fantastic that it exists.

Comparing it to the F80, the Valkyrie is a race car that somehow they found a way to make road registerable. Check the underbody aero giving very limited cabin room (I sat in one once, wasn’t too easy and very claustrophobic), the cabin entry which can’t really be called a door aperture in the road car sense, the very intense vibrations and the enormous noise. Whereas the F80 is a road car with lots of race technology transfer but still remains firmly a road car. The appeal of the F80 is that you will get most of the Valkyrie’s performance and it will be much easier to drive on the road - the Mille Miglia or a Ferrari Cavalcade for instance. Everyone knows which I prefer but there’s no denying the achievement AM have made with the Valkyrie. Just make sure to have a trailer in your garage!

 

was watching a video on the new Colnago. Apparently they use the same 3d printing supplier as Ferrari, Additiva. Wonder if they produce the suspension parts.

 

Nice video and beautiful bike. Interesting how the philosophy of owning one is so similar to the philosophy of owning a Ferrari.

 

Great video where we can see that the Valkyri is truly a dream fusion between the beauty of its lines, molded in the pursuit of aerodynamic perfection and down force, and performance taken to the extreme. Probably for marketing reasons Aston Martin has long said the Valkyri is intended to be an F1 car for the road. However, we all know that this cannot be true because there are no F1s for the road but rather a handful of road cars in which much of their technology comes from F1. But I agree, the track is Valkyrie’s natural element and, therefore, besides being able to contemplate it in the privacy of their garages, this will probably be the greatest use that its owners will give it.

Even in rainy conditions and as the video below shows, the Valkyrie has a sound that I personally like and that is arguably far superior to the F80 when both are compared in the same conditions. Even so, the sound performance of the hybrid Valkyrie is still a long way from that of the Valkyrie AMR-LMH, which to my hear is excellent.

The old meaning of hybrid is an animal or plant produced from the mixture of two species. Although the Valkyrie and the F80 are both hybrids, according to this old meaning I also agree that the former is much more hybrid because “…you will get most of the Valkyrie’s performance and it will be much easier to drive on the road…”

https://fb.watch/w3_DTO43Fz/

 

Secret Weapon, in Brazil, has been making some amazing titanium exhaust systems for supercars. Maybe it will make the F80 sound better.

 

They have a video on their system for the F512M (same spec as our car) which sounds incredible - and much better and more accessible than either the F80 or Valkyrie. The sound is unmatched anywhere in my opinion. It is also a true F1 engine to the road story, even though the engine spec was by then very different to the old Lauda car.

 

The thing about the Valkyrie that that video shows is the sheer quantity of noise is hard to manage. Even with noise cancelling headphones on he was struggling. And although the microphone was right by his mouth, his words were still drowned out by the engine which is a few feet away. Great on track but forget it on the road.

 

-from safe distance, not less that 30m.
I am very found of you and your opinion, but here the valkyrie isn't the best example of what the car/engine should sound. It is on other scale of extreme, F80 being to quiet for a hypercar, Valkyrie being to loud/noisy for a road car.
La Ferrari is ideal , Looks epic, drives epic and the engine sound is epic.
I have to say I like the looks and concept (v12 hybrid lightness) of valkyrie more than F80 and it is a car that today's kids will put on the wall and stare at it , same as us did with F40, or Testarossa Countach.
I don't mind getting in and out and cramped cabin also.
But it is undrivable because of noise.
In this regard the work of Ferrari is simply better, because the performance should be similar, but it is actually possible to use it on daily basis, which is not even remotely possible with Valkyrie.

 

I mentioned that I prefer the sound of the hybrid Valkyrie to the one of the F80. However, the sound I really like is the one of the non hybrid Valkyrie AMR-LMH generated by the V12 Cosworth NA

 

to me the valk is everything a hypercar should be, extreme in every way and turns heads everywhere you go - something you would never drive daily but when you want an exciting weekend drive

 

More than 40% of Ferraris are sold in the EU-UK. Just saying.

The difference in sound between the Valkyries doesn't have to do with hybridisation, but rather the unrestricted exhaust of the race car. The road going Valkyrie is painfully loud as it is though...

 

As far as I know, the hybrid system of the road legal Valkyrie was ditched on the AMR LMH just to save weight and it doesn't seem to me that it had any interference with the V12 's sound. Apparently also the V12 of the road legal Valkyrie underwent huge changes, requiring a de-tune from its 1000 hp, down to no more than 670 hp at any time on the Valkyrie AMR LMH, to comply with the Le Mans rules.

As the sound of the AMR LMH, even with the de-tuned engine, is much superior to that of the road legal Valkyrie, I agree with you that this can in fact only be due to the different exhaust system.
It's amazing the miracles that the right exhaust system can perform

 

They have many videos incredible.
Ferrari 458
430
Aventador
Audi R8
GT3 RS
812
Aston Martins
McLarens

For me, better than Akrapovic, tubi, Capristo, ....

 

I really like V6 sounds as well as V8 or V12.

The 296’s sounds very good.

https://www.instagram.com/stories/ferrarijpn/3510376671980976521?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igsh=MXI2OXY3bG5iaHNzMg==

 

Love Ferrari F80 and XX programs - way overdue.
All the other factories can't even deliver a US car let alone maintain it - unlike Ferrari.
Ferrari has shown their cards - total commitment to build cool fast cars.
Personally over V12 and sounds crowds comments - it's been going on in F1 for a decade and no one stopped going because of it.
All the V12 owners of every model should celebrate as their cars will continue to rise.
By the way my Dino sounds better than my Speciale beautiful cars and sounds left the building decades ago.

 

The fact that your Dino V6 sounds better than your Speciale is very enlightening as to what happened. Listening to Ferrari engines V6, V8 and V12 NA , each one with its own characteristic sound, is always like listening to music of the highest quality and definition. Currently listening to the very powerful but muffled Ferrari engines turbo V8 and V6 is something very boring due to the lack of musicality and character. The F80 which is the faster road legal Ferrari ever is a good example of Ferrari's turbo engines sound degradation. Probably one of the worst Ferraris in terms of sound.

 

I watched this video again today from Harry’s Garage about the 288 GTO. A few thoughts occurred to me. First, he says that the F40 cost three times the amount a GTO did - circa £190k. They also produced nearly 1,400 of them. The F40, as discussed before, was not universally applauded at launch but has definitely cemented its place since. There are so many similarities between the F40 and F80, even including its high price and build quantity. The F40 appreciated massively and crashed massively too. The 288 could be bought for £160k in 2006 and is worth £3.5m now. Can these wild variations be repeated again? I’m thinking not - both up and down. The collector market is much more established and there are far more wealthy individuals in the world with a desire to purchase, drive and collect special cars. The participation of BRICS nations in the market, more than previously, probably also changes things. Perhaps I’m wrong.

The F40 went from £190k to £1m very quickly (more than 5x). That simply won’t happen with F80. Nor will the drop that followed (back to less than list from 5x).

The other thing that I wondered about was the change in performance from 288 to F80. Massive increase in speed, technology and aggressive design. If you extrapolate forward 40 years from now, can there be the same increase in speed? I don’t think so. But tech will move forward 40 years. So what direction will it take? What will the next 40 years’ tech enable the F120 to do? Will it be increased grip (needs aero and tyre advances), reduced weight (needs material advances), drive ability (needs software and chassis advances), powertrain….will it fly?! What represents progress in 2064? And how will the F80 be seen in the context of that?

 

F80 will face depreciation. It should be in the long run.
Reason is simple for me. There aren’t many ‘drivers’ left to appreciate these cars. In if not 40 but 20 years, we wouldn’t have to drive at all let alone take driver test.
It will be a collector item for whom to have to have every hyper F and F80 will not be hard to get given the numbers produced.

Only way to celebrate the ownership is to drive the car as much. However this is also nonsense given the car price. You really have to put much effort to enjoy the car minimizing the risk. You can not do like you will do to Toyota.

So, in short, this car is challenge, to enjoy, to collect, or to flip… I will try my best to enjoy.

 

Until the beginning and popularization of quartz watches, the main goal was "precision".
So, quartz first arrived as a luxury item, and then it became popular, and precision also became popular and cheap.
Today, people buy a Patek or Girard-Perregaux mechanical watch because of the Haute Horlogerie: machinery, complications, finishing, craftsmanship, and so on.

The same thing has already started to happen with sports cars.
Power and speed are becoming cheap, popular, and unmanageable on the streets.
Technology itself is also becoming popular, digitalization is everywhere, it is no longer a differentiator.
I think that soon "high sportiness" cars (in parallel with Haute Horlogerie) will involve artisanship, craftsmanship, machinery, N/A engines, low weight, excellent finish and sensory experience. Jewels to be appreciated, driven and collected.
Digitalization, electrification, high weight, power at any cost will be unacceptable in this niche.
"High sportiness" cars will still be very fast, but speed will not be the priority.

 

There is a big difference…the F40 at £190k (or $300k) is $780k or so on an inflation adjusted basis. The F80 is $4 million…you can argue the F40 was very cheap or the F80 is very expensive. Either way, not comparable

 

I don’t think that’s the right way to look at it. For example, an average London terraced house was £55k in 1987 (F40) and £830k in 2024. That’s about 15x. The F40’s £190k x 15 = £2,850k. It’s not simply about inflation over the period, it’s about what an ‘asset’ such as this is expected to cost based on a market value. The fact is there are more people who have the ability and desire to purchase a car like this and this market has grown beyond inflation for a long time now.

I’m not saying the price for F80 is right. But there is at least a kind of logic to it. The F40, produced in greater numbers is around £2m today. The GTO is around £3.5m, as are the Enzo and LaFerrari. The LaFerrari in 2013, priced at £1.2m shot up and has never been close to that since. I doubt any manufacturer would think they got the pricing right there. It was too much in favour of the customer (is it really right, from the manufacturer’s viewpoint, that a customer can double or triple their money almost immediately - as many did?)

It’s easy to argue that with F80 they might have gone too far - the ideal price should leave something on the table for the customer since they are likely to have had other, much more negative, experiences in terms of depreciation on previous Ferrari products. It’s not a great look for your halo product to leave customers nursing a sizeable drop in value. If it was priced at £2.5m I don’t think it’s a discussion point. At £3m it suddenly looks very ‘toppy’. This is not the value thread but my point is and has been that this car bears many similarities to the F40. In its character, identity, track-derived technology, appearance and even market reception. The F40 was also 3x the price of the 3-years-earlier GTO, which is now worth around double the F40. I think that’s because of volume not the car itself. F80 volume is somewhere in the middle - 800 not 500 like LaF or 1,300+ like F40. The F80 is expensive but probably not miles off what it should cost. People at the car’s customer reveal all felt it would begin with a ‘3’. I felt it should be a ‘2’ but since I was the only one, I figured they were right. We now know they were.

I think j09333’s post above came to a good conclusion; “So, in short, this car is challenge, to enjoy, to collect, or to flip… I will try my best to enjoy.”