Used a shop local to me. After a bunch of research they suggested just buying the subs in a pre-made enclosure from Scuderia Audio. It was a great decision. Here is the link. https://scuderiaaudio.com/product/430-spider-dual-subwoofer/ Here are some photos of the install. Also put in tweeters and bought larger custom covers as original tweeters had tiny magnets. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Never knew that guy had his engine rebuilt that many times. Thats not really a good example in that case.
Four engines in 200k miles is not really a good example. There is a swedish F430 at 200k with the original engine and all original internals.
Re: maintenance, haven't seen it mentioned that the 458 requires carbon cleanings due to the DFI. That is probably a 5-8 year service interval to stay on top of it.
About to reach 5 years with my F430 next month. Couldn't be happier with it. I have added 16K miles (at 42K now) in the past 4 years but didn't get driven much this year unfortunately after sharing more mileage with the BMWs than intended or that would have been higher. Clutch still has over 80% of it's life left. For failures the driver's side fuel pump (leaking from the hat) and the F1 hose assembly (chaffing caused a pinhole leak) for around $3500 all in besides yearly maintenance costs. To me better looks and more analog driving with the E-diff being the only exception. The F1 system gives a satisfying kick between gears that gets muted a bit with the DCT. I prefer the fixed gauges than electronic facsimiles and data readouts. An S-line exhaust and de-catted headers are the only mechanical modifications. On our monthly drives (more McLaren and Porsche leaning) I always get at least one comment when we arrive at our rest stops. "Your Ferrari sounds so amazing, I love being behind you!" Never gets old.
That looks great. Are you running a delayed power on for the deck? I'm also thinking about adding a reverse camera. We replaced speakers this week. The condition of the stock 2008 rubber was... not great. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Stick this title in the 458 section and you will get a completely different response. They are very different cars and the 458 is a better car in nearly all respects, but is it 50k to 60k more car? I don’t think so. People will sponsor the car they bought and tell you why, but only you will know by getting time with both, so get out there and do that, it’s a big purchase and you need to get it right for yourself. I bought an F430 because it was the best, most modern, good looking and driving Ferrari I could afford. I still love it and had it 5 years, I could upgrade now but the 430 to me has got sexier and more appealing, whereby the 458 the opposite to the point it’s not on my want list and a Scud is!
Some excellent comments here... I've had both brand new. Both really fine cars. If getting an F430 I would look for the 2008 model as it had several upgrades. That is unless you don't want a car with ceramic brakes because they became standard in 2008. The F430 spider is one of my favorite cars as it feels like a real convertible. The 458 spider feels a bit like a targa. But there is no question the 458 is a superior machine given its a completely new car. The F1 box in the F430 feels more like a manual. You can feel and hear the gears slamming around, particularly with the top down. The 458 however is smoother and faster. Finding an original F430 with a manual box is possible but expensive. I would say that 10 years from now, the 458 would be considered "the classic" look while the F430 is interesting. The Scuderia version probably be a little more highly sought after. The 16M stratospheric. But I would say both are fun to drive. Basically you can't go wrong with either but the F430 probably would save some money in the long run apples to apples, but might make it back in resale given its iconic looks.
I think your first Ferrari should be a F40 The 458 has always been a dream car for me. I think the look of the car is perfect; it has the right lines and still looks modern. And it still leaves much up to the driver. The transmission is pretty smooth for its time, and the car has an unmistakably gorgeous exhaust note. The other thing that keeps me up at night is that the prices on the 458 seem to be trending up lately so it might be a good time to snag one before they keep sliding up more. The 458 is a way different car than the 430. While many say the 360 kicked off the modern era of Ferrari (and they are right), mainly in the new materials and Montezemolo's general attitude in building a "usable" car, it is the 430, in my opinion, where Ferrari figured out what making a driver-focused car really meant. Schumacher tested the car extensively before it assumed its final form. Every generation of Ferrari seems to build upon the last. The 458 solved a lot of issues that were found with the 430, which solved a lot of issues with the 360, and so on. Buy the best car you can afford, and you won't regret it.
A few people have mentioned the 458 solved the problems the F430 had. What exactly were those problems and are they things the aftermarket has also solved? Struggling to find anything major that doesn’t have a solution already.
Good opportunity to quote the changes between years. 2007 seems to be the sweet spot with cumulative updates. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Yes on the delayed power. I was surprised how poor the materials were for the stock speakers. Tweeters were like something you’d buy at Sears back in the day. I know audio quality is not the focus in these cars, but for a few hundred thousand, maybe try a little bit…. I considers the rear camera, but nixed it once I realized how much work it was gonna be with some cutting that probably could not be undone. Would have been nice.
I had a late '07 build and now an '06. Spent plenty of time behind an '08 as well, but have never driven an '05. If you can tell the difference in F1 performance between them, other than the annoying "start in auto mode" 08+, you have a great butt sensor.
He was tracking the car full redline for all those miles. I would guess that he also wanted top performance.
Has anyone who has owned an 430 had to drive extensively in bad stop and go traffic? While i dont see myself doing that too often, i do live in an area where traffic will rear its ugly head at the drop of a hat and would hate to have clutch failure (like my friends Lambo Murcielago) because i was stuck behind a tesla for 10 miles. Right now i'm leaning a bit towards the 458 simply due to the DCT and knowing i wont be burning my clutch just driving in stop and go traffic. That being said, my friend who owns an 812 Superfast basically says that in traffic, he drives in manual mode exclusively because (especially on the F1 transmission), you wont want the car to be shooting through the gears when all you are doing is creeping forward at 15 mph bursts. If that is enough to save the transmission, and make sure it doesnt burn out prematurely, that might be enough (as well as the price) to help me make the decision to buy a 430 within the next year or two so i can start my Ferrari ownership and then i can always upgrade to the 458 (or 488) at a later date.
Yes, and that´s why i converted mine. I realized the craziness in my behaviour when i looked at online traffic cameras before heading out for a drive. The clutch was a constant worry and with the jerkiness of the single clutch robot-madness added i would have sold the car a long time ago if it wasn´t for the conversion.
Ah good to know. Unfortunately for me i medically cannot drive a manual car anymore which is a sad thing to say as i learned how to drive on a manual car and have driven manual cars for the past 25 years. Been seeing some slightly higher mileage but clean examples of 458s for not much more than a super clean low mileage 430 so maybe it might be worth it to just jump up to that for the DCT alone.
I would definitely go for the DCT (despite some reliability risks involved) if you intend to do normal driving in urban areas. I would only consider a robotized single clutch system for the track or flat out driving.
They are both similar in auto mode in traffic. Unless you are dumping launch control starts or being silly the clutch in the 430 will hold up fine. The 458 has a rudimentary cruise control but it is just a throttle position hold and not very useable.
You aren't going to face the same issue as a Murci but traffic is not fun in any super car. I am glad I converted my F430 but even in the e-gear Gallardo you just leave a large gap and continue along w the clutch engaged. Just let the bozos trying to save 30 seconds cut in. I regularly drive both cars in Silicon Valley traffic. Your driving habits can minimize any wear and you often then start to get "in a pocket" with like minded other drivers who mimic your relaxed style of navigating the 5-10mph "suffering".
I don’t think anybody besides a valet would choose to drive the car in auto mode. I always drove in manual. It’s very connected and you can feel the point of clutch engagement easily if you’ve driven a manual before. Allows for you to control how much slipping you’re doing in traffic to save on clutch wear.
Sooner or later you will have to rebuild the DCT, too, so I wouldn't necessarily let it sway you over the F1, as nice as the DCT is. Not sure how much an F1 clutch is in an F430 but fairly certain it's less expensive than addressing the DCT when it goes. I've owned an F430 (gated) and just had a long drive in a 458 Spider, they are very different cars, the F430 is a solidly analog experience, the 458 feels much more modern to me, and sounds amazing. For a weekend car, either one is great, depends on your taste and your budget. The spread between an F430 and a 458 will pay for a lot of clutches and the F430 is a much simpler car to maintain if the headers have been addressed, not nearly as many ECUs, TFT screens or other electrical gremlins. Steel brakes on the F430 are a whole lot less expensive than the carbon ceramics on the 458 (and later F430s) as well. Money no object, I would chose the 458.
