Ferrari F80 value thread

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Looks amazing here.
That very tense and almost straight profile sideline gives it an '80s Group C race car vibe that I really like. To that, it also contributes the very low and narrow (compared to the width of the car) cockpit, which from the front looks like the 'bubble' of race prototypes of that era.

You can also notice how wheel archs do sit extremely low and close to the ground by looking at how - at the rear - they have to follow the shape of the wheels (almost like a thin layer of skin over powerful muscles) to provide space to them.

Also, if you look at pictures from Finali Mondiali with the F80 placed nearby the 499P, you can notice that wheel arches and cockpit of the car are basically as low as those of the 499P.
This is impressive even for road legal supercar standards, because LMH (and previous LMP1) race cars are extremely small and do sit very narrow on the tarmac.
In fact, when they are seen close and/or approaching GT3 race cars during races, they do make said GT3 machines look almost huge and inflated.

On the streets among normal cars, the F80 is really going to look like a spaceship.

 

In the restricted group that includes the 288GTO, F40, F50, Enzo and LaFerrari, all cars without exception have increased a lot in value over the years. However, by a wide margin, the great champion of this appreciation is the LaFerrari whose average selling price since it was launched in 2013, 11 years ago, has increased in value to approximately $180,000 per year.

Will the F80 have a similar appreciation to what has already happened with the LaFerrari? It is impossible to predict because to a large extent this will depend on the demand for cars versus the available supply. However, trying to put myself in the place of the buyer who has many millions to purchase just one Ferrari of the latest hybrid generation within this restricted group, I wouldn't hesitate for a second in choosing between the F80 and the LaFerrari. Obviously, I would choose the LaFerrari because I like its design much more than the one of the F80. Also regarding the power train, the LaFerrari has a pure V12 NA that has remained unadulterated. The LaFerrari is also a master piece of performance with a true Ferrari sound even though it isn't Hellaciously quick like the silent F80. Lastly, the LaFerrari with 499 units manufactured is a Ferrari rarer than the F80 of which 799 cars will be produced.

 

there is a good article in the most recent DuPont Registry Magazine about the F80 which includes the annual appreciation of 5 Ferrari supercars and also compares their appreciative to the S&P 500. Not surprisingly the article is very favorable on the F80 which it also addresses the three most controversial aspects of the car including six cylinder, high price and high volume. It is worth reading whether you agree with or not it includes some good empirical info.

 

Is this the article?
https://news.dupontregistry.com/ferrari/why-shortsighted-criticism-of-the-ferrari-f80-will-fade-over-time/

 

yes, thanks for posting, I struggle when I try to copy a link into these threads. What do you think of the article?

 

I think the article makes a nice counter point to the criticisms.

The only thing I take exception with is the notion of near guaranteed appreciation in values. Since other cars are valued around the reported price for F80, then F80 should be priced at those levels, and that there is an inference that the market will simply provide near instant appreciation. Very easy for a journalist to write, but reality is never that easy.

I think the answer is no one knows, and no one can know until some of these cars get on the market. Since it will take them years to deliver all 799 cars, it means we won’t really know for a long time. Sure, there will be the rare flipped car, no doubt for a huge premium. But after a time, we will find out where the market really sees the F80.

Charts like the one in the article make it all too easy to look at decades in a few seconds; but it is really quite something different to actually live through the time it might take to arrive at the appreciation. How much this matters to each lucky owner will be an individual matter, but I think most value their money and will want to know they’ve made a wise decision.

 

IMO, I thought it was good, except for the first section on sound. This portion came across as defensive in its writing style. This section mentions that F1 engine sound quality has changed since moving to a V6 and that the crowd has accepted it. However, he did not address the relevance of this change to a road-going V6 engine focused on driving experience as opposed to an unrestricted exhaust performing for a time-limited, entertainment crowd experience. I wish he had written with more depth or research on the topic.

 

the 'crowd has accepted' the measly sounding F1 cars because THEY DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE...not because they like it.

 

Jerry, I couldn’t agree more with your analysis of the article.

The article's snapshot refers only to the highest transactions for each model recorded this year. Honestly, it doesn't seem to me that this form of analysis is minimally rigorous to be able to assess the value of each of these models. For example, Classic.com uses a time frame of several years and an average value, which is much more realistic, as is shown in the graph below regarding the LaFerrari. Although all of these models have seen strong appreciation in recent years, anyone who follows the older ones knows that there have been periods, sometime long, of stagnation in which prices remained unchanged.



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Exactly Mario.

And thus, this article, or anyone attempting any kind of constructive discussion, should also ask a question: do you want to be holding one of these during a period of stagnation or even, possibly, decline? If you ever purchase anything which carries a meaningful cost (which is relative) you should always ask how do you exit. You never really know how things will go. When these cars are new, you are at the beginning of that journey. Buying, for example, a 288 GTO today means the car’s position inside the collector world is very well established- and even then, values will fluctuate.

 

So sad to think of the most high performance, technologically advanced vehicle from the best car brand in the world as another ETF...if you can, drive the damn thing 'til the wheels come off.

 

I am glad the article promoted some discussion. I don’t buy any of these cars because I expect appreciation though I hope they do as it makes my balance sheet better, makes me feeler better and think I am slightly smarter. I buy them because I want to own them and enjoy driving them. At the same time I do like to buy at what I think is a reasonable price. Future values of anything in real value are uncertain.

 

The best reasons, bravo !

 

If you are gonna spend $3m+ on a car I don't think you are worried about appreciation and you likely have a more than a few others. You buy them because you can and want to, the rest is potential upside.

 

Never! the day when F 80 is worth 8M, then an F 50 will be worth 15. Wait until you hear the absence of sound to understand that it will remain an "incomplete" car... And betting everything on power is one more mistake at an era a simple production car will end up very close to it.

 

I think this is entirely a personal discussion, but I would say whether it's $0.03 or $3m, people work hard for their money and want to be intelligent in how they spend it. Sometimes you take a flier on something, and that is, again, really a personal decision.

I agree the real test is how does the car drive, but, until then, all we can do is guess based on specs, looks, sound, etc.

 

They also didn’t use inflation adjusted purchase prices which skews all of the rest of their analysis to show larger gains/percentages.

 

It is certainly true at this level, perhaps not everyone but most. Guys I know could care less, rounding error to other expenses such as jets and 80' sports fishers, etc. Buying a $500k Ferrari or 3 is not the same thing.

 

Reality is very few -if any- drive these cars until the wheels fall off. I am sure one can buy a 458, 488, 296, drive it till the wheels fall off and have lots of fun with it. There is always a market for a 458 with 60,000 miles. There is no sensible market for a LaF with 60,000 miles -most buyers are mileage-conscious collectors- and if it existed it would be exceedingly painful on the financial front