This is a sad day for Ferrari.

I don’t think the current models will be forgotten. I think many of them are outstanding cars. But production volumes might blight some of them if interest rates remain and the market settles at a lower level. On the other hand, someone mentioned about there being double the ‘wealthy’ people compared with 2015. That has an impact too. It’s hard to say how it goes. But if the market turns down and people buy less of a particular model, that’s when to buy. For example, a replacement SF90, if it is launched in a difficult period and is an excellent car (and better than the original), that could be an interesting buy. I think many buyers will be hesitant over that car because of their experience with depreciation on the first one. Which might make it a good buy! I also think Ferrari’s plans to make long term hybrid ownership a sensible thing by warranting the battery and making them affordable to replace will help. Plus, I believe the market will come to understand that hybrids are a worthwhile technology, especially in the context of what could be coming afterwards. They add a little weight but they offer linear throttle response as well as great midrange torque. This is fantastic for fast road driving.

 

Thought exercise….in 10 years time, which car will thought be the better, more desirable, 296 or Pista?

 

Pista 100%

 

If Ferrari didn't flood the market and over price the current models they would be in higher demand. Those 2 things are killer to the brand and models. The cars are fine but not special especially at $500K.

In regards to the new millionaires, they will always want the latest and greatest not necessarily an older run of the mill model. Ferrari will sell any new model other than the VS versions to anyone. The exclusivity is over.

 

I agree, but a better question is Pista or 296 ‘Pista’. I think the latter will have a very good chance. It will likely be a better driver’s car and still feel relevant as a fast super car in a world full of more clinical ‘normal’ cars. Pista might just feel old. By the way, I’m arguing against myself here - we have a TM Pista and have not bought a 296 so probably won’t get a 296 Pista.

 

The Pista IMO just looks so good. Yes the 296 will outperform it but for street driving I don't think it matters so much these days. They are all fast.

 

I disagree Aston Martin is the only one doing what people want

 

Doesn't seem to be helping their bottom line or residual values...

 

Whereas the others don't? If you read Fchat, a turbocharged V12 is an anathema...

 

Cars are amazing but they’re just too expensive. Lamborghini doing the same thing right now. Temerario pricing is nuts.

 

I think if it was Ferrari the brand that needed turbos to equal the power of a NA engine you´d be saying that they were dead too.

Ferrari, going down since the day they made the second car.

 

It doesn't for a while. And people constantly saying they don't want to buy due to depreciation will continue the cycle of greater depreciation.

It's a very very difficult hole to dig out of... And... There is no magic wand. This isn't the internet where you press a button and it works... It's not swiping right or left ... It's a Herculean lift to change people's perception of your brand.

Well it's easy to ruin it fast. But very difficult to change it for the positive... And it takes lots of time.

Who knows ... Maybe they will run out of time for the umpteenth time and a Chinese company will buy it and ruin it like jag.

 

Yes. Well consider the crowd.

You are on a specific brands enthusiasts board. They like the traditon. Many on here are in their 60-s70s as well.

Then you have young people who don't have the money to buy a car like this as well and all they do is complain that it's not a gt3.

Also the majority of users in this site do not buy new Ferraris or astons. There are many but they are vastly out numbered.

 

Or better yet. Musk will buy it when ICE has been outlawed

 

The magic button is they cut production and slow down their price increases but we know that aint happening.

 

Well they are making about 20% less cars this year. Ohh and oddly enough they did try that with the last dbs to some success.

I just think the brand needs a bigger outright public win of some sort

 

They won't do it, and will sell it at the highest possible price... They are not there to think about the third or fourth owner, they don't care.
In any case, there will be no third owner in 10 years because the parts of the car to be changed and their price will be a "no go" on the second-hand market where people do not have unlimited financial means.
It is in this sense that I have always talked about consumable cars, then disposable cars...
The market will be saturated with cars that no one wants, because they are too expensive to maintain and there are tons of reliability problems to solve.

 

Neither ! a 458 Speciale

 

engineering, v12, interior, prancing horse, feel, braking, and everything else aside. just cannot get over the exterior styling, Ferrari ****@ the bed with the exterior. please excuse my French..........

 

I would even go a little further and say that these cars are already having serious problems finding second owners.

As you said, the secondary market does not have unlimited financial resources, and these turbo hybrids are too complex.

And, adding another factor: I think that, in general, the secondary market focuses more on the experience than the first owners. The first owners (not all) are often just "playing the game" to accumulate score, and the second owner is looking for a sports car, with the inherent sensorial experience.

The bubble is already bursting.

 

What if a customer decided not to pay for exterior paint?

Come on Ferrari!

How cheap can one get!!!!
How greedy can Ferrari get!!!

 

Although not 12C thought this was interesting. In the back of my mind was wondering the same. Kinda glad I got it over with early on in life- am pretty much done with big ticket items now and have no real bucket list cars any more.

 

How will the 296 age?
When will the battery need to be rrplaced?
Will the triple complex drivetrain look silly ?

 

Well IMO it looks great and performs equally as well. I am betting there will be some 3rd parties that develop battery solutions. What I dont know is how the electric motors will hold up.

 

......"The market IS saturated"......
Already now.

Marcel Massini