e So him combining the SF90 Stradales and Spiders to get a larger number of available used cars to make a point about how bad their market value is fine, but me combining the 812 SFs and GTS to counter that exact point is not? Haha. Give me a break. If the market for SF90s is bad due to a large number of cars available in the US on cars. com, then the 812 market is even worse since its had time to dry up (your words), and still has over 150 cars available on the same website.
You have a very good memory, it was supposed to be delivered in October/November but my dealer had only one spot left in the October delivery slot and because I was out of the country and will be until late January 2025 I decided to let the shipping spot go to another owner and collect mine in Jan/Feb when I get back. Not sure about future warranty issues but didn’t Ferrari announce extended warranties on batteries etc? Anyway, who cares? We live in the now tomorrow is never guaranteed, worrying about things which haven’t and may never happen is counterproductive. In the meantime I enjoy the hell out of my cars and let the worrying to the willing bystanders.
Fair enough and I can assure you that I have read the title and in spite of it my feelings towards discussing monetary value when it comes to objects of desire makes no sense, every single one of these cars is a bad as a matter of fact terrible financial investment and to sit here dissecting the reasons as to why that’s the case is down right silly. The guy with the 812 thinks his move was smarter because in some fantasy land he has lost less pennies than some other guy on his Roma, F296, SF90 etc. We are ALL losing money on these cars LOL, we are supposed to, that’s how consumerism works, what you should actually be seeking for your money is the satisfaction the product you have consumed gave you, the memories, the experiences, how it made you and those around you feel, you can not take money to the grave with you, technically you could but it wouldn’t do you much good. So when I see people talk about money and value in relation to these cars I am always thinking that these people are buying these cars for the wrong reasons and I feel sorry for them because this burden tarnishes their experiences and adds unnecessary stress to something which should be fun and enjoyable. Nevertheless you boys and girls carry on discussing “value” as I am sure you would.
All good points and I can’t say I disagree with much. I do think value is mostly conflated with cost. Value should be what you receive (experience, memories, exhilaration, etc). Cost is how much less money you have after receiving aforementioned value. With Ferrari, the value should always dwarf the cost, whatever that cost is. My F12 and 812 SF “cost” me hundreds of thousands over 6 years of ownership, the “value” I received was much higher.
No, no, no. I never mentioned the 812 GTS until asked about it. Smarter? Nothing to do with it. My 812 will depreciate. It’s a car, not an investment. I bought it for the pleasure I will have driving it. That’s the exchange. For me, for a road car… Emotion. Pleasure. Everything to do with wanting a car, not needing a car- for a collection or an allocation of a future limited car. IMO, the SF90 is relatively antiseptic compared to the alternatives. Since I cannot own every car, I desire the ones that are best at providing entertainment for road driving. Sound doesn’t impact performance but it does impact the experience. To my ear, the SF90 is the worst sounding Ferrari I have ever driven. I have driven a lot of Ferraris- but not all of them so there may be worse. I disliked the sound so much that I would rather have an electric car making no sound at all. And that’s just my ear- others hear it differently. In all of the reviews I have read, almost none of them praise the engine sound. Some say it sounds OK, but to me they seem insincere as if they are protecting their access to future cars. I’m obviously biased by my strong dislike after driving the car. I still want a 296 for all of the reasons I don’t want an SF90. Eventually, I expect the price of an SF90 to drop below the 296 because the entire experience is simply better in the cheaper car and the performance advantage in the SF is just irrelevant to non existent. The SF90 is more of a trophy signifying Ferrari’s first hybrid- so historically it has some importance. Future iterations will likely fix its’ weaknesses further diminishing the value of the original. Of course this always happens but most models typically start from a better position. This is a value thread after all and it’s easy to predict a future decline. 200 versions of the SF on cars.com for a very high priced car is a lot for the market to absorb. It will take a lot of time or substantially lower priced to clear the market. The laws of supply and demand dictate price. Sorry to hurt anyone’s feelings.
You should try the new 750S is a monster way better than 296! I did a day with 296 Corsa Piloti very capable machine it even surprised me….I just picked a 750s spider car feels faster a lighter more agile….who cares about values 750 is on par with 765LT but smoother not rattles and just pure exhilarating. I agree with some of your thoughts my SF90 will never trade below 296
You are probably right about that. How does the 750 sound? What about the turbo lag? My belief is that those two areas is where the 750 falls short. I also don’t care for the design of the McLaren vs the 296. Ty!
Sound is pretty awesome definitely better than 296! If you compare the two 750 feels way linear and more push…my 750 looks way more exotic and lighter by big margin than 296..but different strokes for different folks! You will be happy with the 296 awesome car that impressed me….
You lost all credibility after you claimed the SF90 is Ferrari’s first hybrid. Anyone who doesn’t know what a LaFerrari is shouldn’t be posting opinions on anything Ferrari. And you think SF90s will trade below 296s? LOL, you're absolutely clueless.
SF90- First regular production hybrid- what I meant. I think it’s possible that the sf90 will trade under the 296- not probable- I’ll give you that. Many people will pay up for the exclusivity more than the driving experience so it may hold above it. You lost all credibility when you acted like a…
Right. You’ve been posting so much BS that I actually believe you weren’t aware the LaFerrari was a hybrid. It was their “trophy” car. FYI - McLaren also made one called the P1 at the same time, and Porsche made one called the 918. They form a trio called the “Holy Trinity”. Let me know if I can help you with anything else, troll.
Very well said. I think one small factor thats missing is the SF90 successor, which looks likely to be a Modificata model. How will it compare to the original. My gut feeling says the SF90's residual profile will be similar to the 599 GTB. Yes, cars are not investments, they are for enjoyment; but one wants to be intelligent in how they spend their money, after all it is our work in another form. So you want to know you are getting value for money, and residuals do matter. My own opinion is Ferrari could help the situation buy improving communication on the warranty coverage that is already in place- I think its 3 years for the car, but 7 years for the hybrid system; and they could really improve it by increasing the coverage. The hybrid parts (mostly battery) is a big question on the part of secondary buyers. I think it is actually fairly well addressed, the extended warranty I've read about in the press seems a bit expensive. We've all had experience with our phone batteries.... I would make this more accessible, but thats just me.
It’s hard to find the time to go test drive a car. Most of all, I just don’t think I can give a car a proper drive without first being the actual owner.
I guess my question in regards to the SF90 and spider is if they are so good then why are so many for sale with such few miles? Why would you spend $700k+ and not drive it then list for sale when the market is way down? It doesn't make sense, there is nothing else out there to to trade to in its class. This leads me to believe there are real problems with quality and reliability. I don't have another explanation.
I have the time but I generally know what I want, if I buy it and I'm not happy I'll sell it for something else.
Ferrari regularly sponsors tours of their new cars. It’s a wonderful way to get an impression. I too have purchased most of my prior cars without previously driving them. It usually worked out, but not always. I also have decided to purchase cars I previously had no interest in after driving them. For me- All things being equal- more information is better.
You talked about everything else but answer any of my questions, how long have you driven the SF90 and where, what conditions? There is no way you driven the car properly if your comments are such as the ones you have displayed above, you don't talk about any of the glaringly obvious great attributes of the car (which everyone knows and will need to list here) which make part of the 99% of the overall experience but because it doesn't sound good to your ears it isn't a good car, that's akin to someone serving you Beluga and you telling everyone it was garbage because you didn't like the cologne the waiter was wearing. The sad part of this whole thing is that you and many others just like you are depriving yourselves of experiencing a pheneomenal car the SF90 is and it's all based on being influenced by incompetents who want to stay relevant online by being contrarian and controversial, ah well not my loss. Anyway, have a nice life, I hope you will find what you are looking for
Some were speculators, but market fell out, and some are playing the game trying to get limited editions.
I think there are a few things. Some SF90’s have been bought to gain access to other cars, some are also being sold because they did gain access to other cars (XX for example). But there’s also some herd mentality going on. A new ‘halo’ car is launched and people think getting an allocation for one means you can own it for nothing or even flip it at a profit. Some were right and that happened for a short while. But then production and availability overwhelmed that thought. There are, of course, some people who just didn’t like the car for whatever reason, but that happens with every car and it doesn’t seem that it is greater with SF90 than with many other models. 488, Cali T, Lusso, 812 etc. I’ve read so many negative posts here about so many new Ferraris over the years.
Speculators for sure but Ferrari requires you to still own an SF90 if you are to be considered for an XX.
What else would you have access to? As I stated above you must own the SF90 to get an XX, at least here in the US. Ferrari doesn't have any other comparable cars and nothing announced otherwise. I do agree about the herd mentality but you would like to believe that wouldn't account for so many. If these cars continue to drop they will sell very quickly and then maybe pop as inventory gets low but this might not be for another year or two. It would be nice if Ferrari stepped up and provided reasonable extended warranties for piece of mind. I do know from several close friends that these cars have issues, anything from the dash going dark while driving, to completely dead. It's not all but enough cars to make people think twice.
Price drop interest rate or received spider selling their coupe add buyers who did not get XX are pissed. Also many order 296GTS and 12Ci - which are now being delivered / built. Didn't want Puro 296GTS Roma Spider surprisingly all great cars - SF90 Spider I won't sell, maybe if next edition is better - maybe. Would sell Speciale and 16M vs SF90 Spider. Crazy - ones selling around F dealer - won't receive special edition or early edition. They already took the beating on coupe, why not stick around for rewards. Sticking it out long term pays off - my dealer also Porsche dealer allocated me a GT3RS PTS no ADM which people are paying 100k over.
