Wise move unloading the Puro. If ever there was a Ferrari destined to tank and crash like nothing before, the Puro would have to be it.
He's just drunk way too much of the Ferrari Koolaid.... thinks the car is now an early iPhone and haptics are still awesome. Even iPhone has stepped away. Haptics are a disaster in a car and even Ferrari has now figured that one out thankfully.
Been there done that - let him go through the koolaid phase and move on to the other phases (look at other brands phase, buy other brands phase, ambivalence phase and then onto Singer, Pagani, GM and Koenig phase)
Completely agree. When driving at such high speed, haptic control of most basic functions such as sound volume, cruise control, seat control, and side mirrors are just stupid and dangerous because it requires eyes off the road. I believe based on Fchat majority of owners here share similar sentiment against haptic control. Using the example of iPhone adoption of haptic control that by nature requires eyes on the screen the whole time to support cars that requires eyes on the road and off the screen the whole time is just asinine.
I personally don't have a problem with the haptic controls. When I drive at high speeds I am focused on my driving - not fiddling with the sound volume, seat control, cruise control, or side mirrors. In fact, I rarely if ever have to touch any of the controls once I get under way. I adjust them before I start my drive. I don't ever use cruise control. IMHO, cruise control defeats the purpose of buying and driving such an incredible car!! I can't be the only person that feels that way, am I??
When driving long distance I use cruise control on my 812 GTS and it's a button. Also I adjust my seat when the back starts to feel uncomfortable. So I guess depends on the demographic and types of cars. Did you try purosangue?
I use cruise all the time when going through speed camera riddled tunnels and affected areas. Also good to be able to micro adjust the seat on occasion amongst other things, without taking eyes off the road. Just having buttons on the seat would surely have to be the barest of essentials in any motor vehicle, yet not in a Ferrari because so many customers will accept anything and then defend the situation vigorously on behalf of the brand. Amazing! Where do you get customers like this? I haven't managed to find any like this! Trying to fish around a steering wheel trying to find a touch sensitive button - which you are not even sure is registering to touch without looking between it and the screen - (to adjust a part of the seat that you'd like to adjust) - that is once you actually find the screen which actually allows you to select the function required (to adjust that part of the seat with), is as about as dumb as it gets. I mean what an absolute disaster of a system! Who signed off on this? Why are they still employed and not fired? Saying one never needs to do these things on the fly or, activate/deactivate or adjust other individual functions is completely nuts. It's the constant vocal excuses and tolerances of this exact nature which is precisely why Ferrari has zero incentive to improve and make their cars user friendly. Customers constantly applogising for a brand which seemingly refuses to get it right is a massive part of the problem and undoubtedly why Ferrari continues to test buyers metal to see just how far they can continually go in getting away with serving up unacceptably substandard operating systems, and at incredibly exorbitant pricing. I'm so jealous! I wish i could find customers like some here - even just one - who i could then sell substandard products like this to at massive mark ups and, then have them excuse me for it at every given opportunity anytime i was ever questioned by anyone who called out the obvious. Itd be like having a license to print money.
Really like your wording here. Just replace Customers with Citizens, Ferrari with Government and Products with Services guess what we have
Exactly, what pi**es me of is the automatic air recycling going on during driving (also when starting the car in hot outside conditions, but that's not really an issue) .. I have to scroll through 2 menus to turn this off, quite annoying.
Just a bit of context, I have a F296 coming soon which I bought to DD and offered a spot for the 296VS as a result I started reading all related threads I could find in order to seek info from real owners with real hands on experience and I am sorry to say to me you seem to be the one “polluting” every single thread with chat GPT like rants saying a whole lot of nothing TBH, of course you have the right to speak your mind just like everyone else here so feel free to carry on as I am sure you will. Anyway in relation to the Aventador I have quite a bit (a lot) of experience with and I thought I should chime in, IMO Jo Sta7 to a certain extent is correct in what he’s telling you. I disagree with his comment that it is a throw away car (no car is a throw away car) and perhaps you are correct assuming that he hasn’t got enough time behind the wheel of one in order to understand the full extent of that car but I don’t blame him for disliking the car, I couldn’t gel with the Aventador model either and this coming from a huge Lamborghini fan, have owned 7 in total so far and I currently own three inc the Essenza. I owned a SV Aventador and absolutely loved the way it looked, sounded and to a certain extent on the right roads the way it drove, the car is a whole lot of theatre and it is an amazing car for that but it’s not the best driver’s car IMO, I ended up selling it after I think 12 months of ownership, subsequent to that I canceled my SVJ order because that type of car wasn’t suitable for my type of driving, I test drove the standard Aventador and to me was undrivable, I really disliked the way that car drove and it was mostly gearbox related, the box ruins that car, the Revuelto on the other hand is a complete revolution of the Lamborghini V12 series, I love the way the car drives and I can’t wait to take delivery next month. The street Lamborghini I absolutely love and have kept the longest in my fleet out of all the sports cars I’ve ever owned so far is the Huracan Performante, I love driving it, but since I took delivery of the 992 GT3RS I tend to leave the HP in the garage more often than I would like to which sadness me a bit because I love it. I have a number of cars in my garage (too many TBH) from P, F and L except McLaren (I might add one in the near future) I am trying to be unbiased and impartial since I love all cars and if you asked me I will always tell you exactly what I like or dislike about a particular car or brand and I will only comment on things if I have/had hands on experience and plenty seat time.
@Fortis he’s best ignored completely you don’t need to give credence to his rants (and there are many) with any type response. Anyone who would write that they’re typically seen driving in regular cars to fit in with normal people is either a sociopath or a child and neither of which is worth a response. I don’t think he has seat time in much of anything (except, funnily enough, regular cars like regular people) and his ownership proof is only posting a half pic of a GT2RS and 765 that belong to his dad or friend or uncle or someone. But I highly doubt himself. I never said the Aventador was a throw away car. It’s charming and flawed and I said it’s better to rent than own every few years to remind yourself why it’s not worth owning. It’s a car you drive more for the enjoyment of others to look at rather than drive yourself because there’s not a lot of enjoyment to be had. My girl also hated it, and she loves super cars. She’s particularly loving the 296. She said it’s not as scary as the 765, which I agree. I think your comment about the Revuelto is spot on. Mega Lambo!
As I said unfortunately you speak a lot of nonsense I have no idea what your primary motivator is what have you got to gain from this, bring some substance to what you say by talking about what you have actually experienced and I am more than happy to listen and learn from your experiences, so far I have got nothing of value from you. I was not trying to impress you by telling you about how many cars I own I couldn’t care any less about you if I tried, no idea who you are, I gain nothing by impressing you, to me you are just pixels on my iPad screen the reason why I mentioned my cars is to show that I have personal experience in what I am talking about and I am unbiased but for some reason your insecurities got triggered, why would you even bring that up? I am actually curious to know which cars you own not because I care but because I would like to know what I should take as fact from your “free speech” word salad, if for whatever reason you aren’t comfortable disclosing that’s fine, I really don’t care. The bet you want to take above is hilarious, don’t be naive prestige and recognition was always the main motivators behind majority of the superfluous purchases of exotic cars and many other luxury goods/toys if it was just transportation everyone would just buy entry level Toyotas which are brilliant for that, in relation to Ferrari’s hybrids are you telling me that a cheap Japanese hybrid systems found in the likes of Toyota Prius, etc are at the level of engineering and sophistication of the one Ferrari implemented in their SF90, F296, F80, etc? You are simply uneducated on this subject, naive or both,I am sorry bit I can not take you seriously, as for reliability please don’t talk about it I am not interested in your uneducated opinion and some anecdotal evidence you have found online. I have no idea what your agenda is since you are saying that you have ordered a F296 and you are also getting a F296VS, why would you bother buying, by your own admission, such terrible product? Big depreciation, terrible user interface, lacks soul and exhilaration, etc. I just don’t get it and you are claiming I drank the Koolaid, if you are still buying these cars after everything you have admitted here it looks like you are gurgling it like it’s going out of fashion. The reason I am saying you shouldn’t be talking about things you have no experience with, the two F296 threads you participated in and polluted with your free speech you talk a lot of nonsense about the SF90, I have close to 10,000 km on mine, early SF90 Spider AF car, have had zero issues with it, drove it on track, street, did tones of events with it locally and overseas, I hardly plug it in and it’s one of the most exhilarating cars I have ever driven and owned. Haptics, I DD my Purosangue, mechanically zero issues with that also, the only thing I don’t like is the seat, I wish it had a carbon bucket seat option, I agree with you on the haptics, they are not good and have complained to Ferrari, verbally and in writing when they asked for feedback, but just like the other member mentioned I do the same, adjust things prior starting to drive, it’s not crazy it is normal to do so, subsequent to that there are heaps of manual adjustments you can use on the fly via physical buttons behind the steering wheel, for volume adjustment, flipping through the sound tracks, lights, indicators, windscreen wipers etc. manual adjustments on the side of the seats etc etc and also since I am not retarded I can still use the haptic controls on the fly it’s not like they are completely unusable, same deal with the SF90 controls and the F296 so once again due to your lack of hands on experience from living with these cars you talk nonsense and are simply regurgitating internet folklore and if some owners are ok with the controls have become accustomed to them you are telling everyone they drank the koolaid and if they don’t complain to Ferrari they are somehow less of a men LOL Lastly from reading most of your gibberish the thing which stands out to me the most is your constant talk about value, depreciation, etc. that’s the aspect which concerns you the most and it’s a recurring theme throughout your interactions here, I can see that puts you right out of your comfort zone otherwise you would stop harping on about it, don’t get in this game if that brings stress to your life, it really isn’t worth it, if you think that the more money people have the more concerned they become with value I don’t think you have met many financially comfortable people, they might tell you they are but I am afraid they might be lying to you. Anyway, I now know whom I am dealing with and I will just let you be, enjoy your life, your cars whatever you drive or decide to drive, good luck with your purchases I hope all your dreams come true, wish you nothing but the best but I will no longer engage with you unless there is something of value which you can substantiate with hands on evidence end experience until then I will just let you be. Take care.
I figured out but I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt I thought he has some experience with what he was talking about but it doesn’t seem that’s the case anyway it is what it is, The V12 SV was a lot of fun but I like hill climbs, twisty mountain road driving and the car is way to wide and cumbersome for that type of driving, it used to bottom out all the time, also the fuel consumption was horrendous, I went on a run with a bunch f friends, left around 8AM before 12 PM I filled the car twice and I left on a full tank LOL, I was always concerned about being left stranded without fuel in the middle of nowhere, the V10 Performante on the other hand was the perfect tool for that type of driving but now I am using it less and less with the GT3RS and GT4RS being the favoured ones for that purpose, I still can’t get myself to part with the Performante, it’s a very raw old school type of car and they don’t make them like that anymore.
I suppose to be full of Koolaid may be a problem if on the one hand you constantly bag a brand with torrents of GPT chat type rants, yet on the other you say you have a 296 and hope to get a VS . Perhaps the best reply to all the posts is seen in post #1291 in this thread . I saw that comment and could not see who it was about so turned off ignore and guess who has been caught out again . Such a chuckle
Yes and I did post - RPM dependent - 9000 rpm's how often you get there. For daily well balanced fun - Roma is the better Ferrari for me. I own a beautiful 812 GTS and likely won't ever sell it.
I’ll take that bet. I don’t see the Roma faster on any track by a competent driver. Can you back this up? For a road car, I don’t see the experience comparable- a turbo charged 8 vs a 12c Ferrari convertible- Really???
I edited - knowing this response would follow. Yes let me drag both cars to a track and make a video - be sure and post ... stay tuned! Do you own both - drive them as a daily? I have both and drive them often - it's just my opinion. If you really want to go there - the 1/4 mile yes GTS is faster but also heavier, on track would be very close. BTW the 812 GTS is a convertible - Ferrari did add some aero etc to help the GTS keep up with the coupe - also added hp to offset the GPF. No offense but what you see vs what I feel in the drivers seat is hardly a debate. For some reason people look down at the Roma - why I have no idea.
We just keep cycling through the same stuff, which is fine, but 99% of Ferrari drivers will never use their car to 80% of their potential but they’ll still complain that the stats aren’t good enough. The 296 is a phenomenal car. I wish the pad wear was less on track but I’ll got to steel rotors with proven pad compounds and enjoy one of the best street cars ever built until my VS arrives. If all you do is go to cars and coffee why do you care about stats? Bragging rights mean nothin I may be one of the few people who have tracked their Roma extensively. I have a country club track so I could go often and do what I please. The Roma is an under appreciated car but it struggles to put down the power and is too soft to be run hard on decent tires. It may be faster than the GTS, I don’t know, never had an 812 but with some minor tweaks the Roma could be much faster on track but obviously that’s not its mission. It’s a great car, sounds fantastic and probably the best modern “street” car Ferrari has built. Probably should have kept mine.
