For some reason Porsches are still going solid. IMO its the price point. Ive driven a 296 and absolutely loved it. Beautiful, comfy, fast, it really does everything so so well. To me its like a Turbo S on steroids. I think we all got so spoiled last couple years with values holding tight. Why wouldnt a car depreciate after years of ownership unless it was a super rare car. We are seeing 2022-2023 for 300-325k, however these cars are low specs and now 2-3 years old, what were we to expect? The realization has to come in at some point that all cars depreciate, the ones taking a beating are the real high specs and lets be honest a 296 has no business being a 500k+ car. Just my 2 cents.
my 2025 GTB and SF90 spider arrived today, still being prepped but here's pic of the new wheel.. I checked and my Sf90 has what appears to be the older one?. I also attached a pic of my 2024 Roma spider, and the wheel looks closer to the 2025 GTB. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I just took delivery of my 2025 296GTB also and mine has that steering wheel with the indents also. Hopefully it helps with the issues with pushing the buttons by Accident. On my Sf90 the heal of my right hand keeps hitting the Haptic button by accident and its beyond annoying.
it appears all 2025 have the new wheel (which my 2024 July Roma Spider also had) here's better pics of both I was also told, they have diff software so need more pressure to activate..so they don't activate inadvertedly. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
But that’s my point obviously they were wrong because 100% of people are appalled by the haptics, so just own it, create a new wheel with buttons and retrofit all cars with the dumb haptics with a new wheel. Actually you probably don’t need a new wheel, just those sections that come apart with the buttons.
Imagine resale on the “old, non functioning” wheel in the used car market…now thats a looming large hit.
I believe they also did a software update for the 2024 MY steering wheel (no indents, but sensitivity to touch pressure reprogrammed). There's a big difference in uesablilty on 2024 no-indent wheel vs previous MY's. Looks to be basically the same as the 2025MY features but without the indents.
Exactly. The kicker is not only that the old wheel cant be swapped out, but more importantly that the new wheel version comes with a suit of upgrades/fixes which anyone aware would most certainly want, and value accordingly.
Yes total nightmare, what do we know exactly about the new steering wheel? Is it definitely out? Difference is indents vs flat surfaces? Why can’t it be retrofitted?
Not wishing to be repetitive as I covered this already in an earlier post. Frankly i personally wouldn’t touch the earlier version at any money but i guess those already with have no choice. Time will tell how much these changes will affect the resale values but i would expect once cars with these changes appear on the open market and, buyers become aware, there will likely be less inclination to take on these earlier builds unless the price is attractive enough to do so. So yes, its logical to expect even further discounting on these already heavily depreciating gtbs.
The new wheel is on the 2025s. Everything before was the old wheel. People that are taking delivery of their cars now should have the new wheel. (Post 2559 above)
Nothing new here. If theres a hard way of doing something Ferrari will find it. Improving functionality and ease of use is something which escapes Ferrari, so much so it leaves you questioning whether they are doing it deliberately just to see how difficult they can make their cars to operate before owners throw their toys out of the pram. Out of all the cars i have owned i can honestly say Ferrari stands out as never failing to disappoint in the area of functionality and general ergonomics. 70 years of fail is quite an achievement especially considering how all its competitors keep stepping forward in these 2 most fundamental areas. Its quite amazing really.
The ironic thing is you are still here posting about the brand, so they must be doing something right. Using your logic, I guess most people care more about performance and pedigree and less about functionality and general ergonomics as they still sell every car they make and are the most profitable car company.
My interest in maintaining ownership of Ferrari as a brand is mainly because i like having variety, but in saying that, its impossible not to notice certain differences where one is clearly better than the other, and/or has improved in certain areas in later offerings. Keep in mind performance and bigger hp isnt the only metric which owners place emphasis on these days. Using the 520hp 9923rs as a case in point - that car is noticeably more engaging and satisfying to drive as a sports car than any Ferrari ive owned or driven to date. So its not just about acceleration and how fast a car may be in a straight line drag vs the competitors offering. Although even on that point, i note its still @10 seconds faster around the ring than any current 296 has managed to produce and thats a car that can generate considerably more straight line speed. So performance metrics need to be kept in context. Ergonomics and general operation of 296 were my points of criticism, not power, acceleration, or straight line speed - most of which can be barely accessed beyond a split second or two during driving on roads which is where these cars spend 99.999% of the time. Some may place more emphasis on the bar room bench racing talk of a car rather than the actual drive and ease of operation of the car they choose to buy. I sit in the later group but still enjoy the variety aspect because i can. But i will say if i were only to keep the one, the Ferrari/s would be the first on the chopping block.
