Ferrari F80

The Germans could not use UVDL in their own country so they moved her to Brussels, where she now creates even more nonsense. And not just for Germany but sadly for entire Europe.
It is absolutely unbelievable how much damage this person produces.

Marcel Massini

 

"Failing upwards" - the mandatory promotion policy of the EU.

 

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Nice, but they aren't even wearing gloves?

Marcel Massini

 

Without any kind of legitimacy on top of that..

 

For those who think the F80 is a power monster, then what can be said about the Bugatti Tourbillon with 1,775 hp ?
The table below shows a comparison of the F80n and the Turbillon .

Although the Tourbillon's ICE V16 has almost triple the displacement of the F80's engine, it only produces 100 more hp. The remaining crazy power of the Turbillon is obtained from three electric motors that together deliver 789 hp. As with the F80, there are still no independent road test reviews, therefore no one has the slightest idea how the driving experience will be like. Although they are very different cars, it will be interesting in the future to see how they compare.

If the price of the F80 is excentric and already close to 4 million USD, what to say about the Turbillon that will certainly surpass that bar.


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You could also show sound amplitude and frequency through the rev range as that is really more important assuming a minimum performance level. If it was just about performance than delete the V6-turb-hybrid thingy and toss in the full electric. That will crush it and bring out the performance of the car which probably isn't advanced enough in a full electric version to be distinctive for the price in the full electric market.

Ferrari likely looked at all power train solutions and picked the least expensive, common across the line, highest performance. Sound had nothing to do with it since the rest of the cars have no sound and they are too concerned about meeting EU environmental restrictions. Others are not sacrificing sound with their V12s.

 

Full electrics cannot maintain their performance for extended periods of time, so not yet a viable solution. Just take a look at the E-Formula race cars.

 

True but the point being made was highest tech and performance. These cars sit in private collections and are trailered to shows and maybe a few laps and neighborhood jaunts in reality. Plenty of time and it fits what they are begging to get to with culture. Heck they just finished building an entire factory for it. A giant battery and electrics would likely be too much for the tech in the rest of the car for it to make sense. Already costs way too much.

 

I understand the "limited usage" argument, but these cars are meant to be performance machines, not show items. Even the mighty Nevera has posted an unspectacular Ring time, proving that electrics are not yet at the pinnacle of performance. At any rate, the F80 has an ICE and all the better for it. Regarding the new Ferrari building, it will be used for all kinds of powertrains; pure ICE, hybrids and pure EVs. The product mix will ultimately be decided by the existing regulations and the market's demand.

 

But strangely no consideration for the large US market which has none of the regulations which is why its also a culture thing with the new management.

 

The previous table has the maximum speed inverted. Below is the correct version.




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Two wonderful machines. The Tourbillon seems a real step up from the Chiron. The Swiss-watch dials stand out starkly against today’s thinking - of course, it’s a Bugatti so you expect those exquisite details. The V16 n/a engine could be quite a thing. 8.3 litres, suits Bugatti, but I dare say nobody else. The Ferrari’s somewhat similar output from 3 litres is similarly remarkable. You can see two very different ways of building a hyper car from the figures. I think both will be fabulous.

 

They are in fact two hypercars but with very different conception philosophies. The Tourbillon uses an 8.3-liter V16 to achieve only about 100 hp more power than the F80's much smaller 3-liter turbo V6. However, based on what I heard in a video, the sound of the Tourbillon's engine seems to be something very special. Around 44% of the Turbillon's total power is achieved with the combination of its three electric motors, while in the F80 the electric motors only produce around 25% of the total power. The Turbillon with a V16 whose displacement is almost three times greater than that of the F80's V6, appears to be a car that is much more dependent on its powerful electric motors to achieve maximum performance.
In a straight line and in the quarter mile I have no doubt that the Turbillon will be faster than the F80. On a circuit with curves the story will probably be different because the F80's 499P DNA could give it some advantage. In any case, it is likely that in the future we will see these two powerful machines competing side by side in some event.

 

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In terms of top speed, they are not even close; the F80 has a speed limiter at around 350 kph after all. Regarding acceleration though, say up to 300 kph, I wouldn't be so sure, regardless of factory claims.

That goes without saying, due to the F80's huge downforce, trick suspension and more racy set-up


Of course all of the above remain to be proved.

 

the Tourbillon is definitely not selling, despite -in my opinion- being a better looking and more developed car than its predecessor.

 

Bugatti says is completely sold out but apparently not.

 

Mario I think you put your finger on it for the Bugatti: nearly half its power comes from electrics- despite a huge combustion engine. I think many people, including myself, see it as a “cheap power”/ “well, almost anyone can do that”/ almost “cheating”. Maybe that is unfair, but that’s how I see it. By contrast, the Ferrari has a bit more of an air of race car technology, even the electric part.

I remember when a lot of cars went turbo in the 70s and 80s and it took decades for the public to understand it and even see it as something more than a cheat that was forced upon us by the regulators. I think if they had allowed the electric stuff to happen naturally as opposed to forcing it on the market, that might have happened. But it didn’t. It was forced, and in many cases, forced quite hard. The market place is now exhibiting a rejection of this technology. It does not want the tradeoffs and is now seen as undesirable.

{sorry for getting a bit into P&R but trying to give some commentary on how I see market dynamics}

 

Are you guys for sure?
I am on waiting list for so long. Que is long. No one is dropping out.

I am visiting factory in 2 weeks. I will ask them to get me a slot right now, if they aren’t selling.
Been asking for quite a while and answer is always the same. All spoken for.

 

the bugatti is a masterpiece tbh

 

did you own any other Bugatti?

 

Jerry, the F80 despite being a hybrid in which the combustion engine does the gigantic part, in terms of sound is very disappointing. The opposite happens with the Turbillon, it is a car in which the electric motors have almost half of the total combined power, in reality it is almost a 50% electric car. However, due to the fact that the Trubillion combustion engine na has such a large displacement it produces a much better sound than the F80
Although not in a Hypercar category for me the best of both worlds hybrid and sound wise was achieved with the Revuelto in which the na V12 engine has a great sound and contributes approximately to 82.5% of the total power. It is this example that I would like Ferrari to look at and eventually follow it in future GT hybrids, obviously the case of the F80 is different because is inspired on racing, instead of claiming that there was no alternative for hybrids but reducing the engines capacities.

 

Why would that matter if they couldn’t sell them? So long as a customer has the funds, if he/she came forward for an available slot that previous customers didn’t want, it wouldn’t be available any longer.