Ferrari F80

rare, lightweight, analog raw driving experience with central driving position yet also usable / tons of luggage space etc

nothing not to like imo

 

And you can get a high downforce kit at the factory to make it more stable, if you like.

 

The SF90 replacement will have 1100 hp I have been told, making the F80 even less attractive from a performance perspective. The design will be redone with - from what I've seen so far of lightly camouflaged cars - quite tasteful retro throwbacks.

 

Ferrari did that with the Laferrari 12years ago .

 

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It's true that the LaFerrari was launched 12 years ago. However, it is also true that Lamborghini launched the Revuelto in 2023, which is a very performing hybrid, " with a very natural, almost classical dynamic feel and balance... " and which has a V12 NA with a sound that is at least as good that of the non hybrid 12 Cilindri. This proves that the justification given by Ferrari for not using the V12 NA in at least some of its hybrid models is a fallacy.

 

Bugatti looks like a bloated toad—and a stale rehash of all their previous cars & with a massive V16 lump—and people are criticizing the looks of the F80 and use of a race-winning engine design?!!

 

I’m not sure that follows. The LaFerrari was comfortably outpaced by the SF90 at launch - from a drag and around a track. It didn’t matter a jot.

On this occasion, the new SF90 won’t be quicker around a track, or from a drag, due to the F80’s aero, lower weight and higher power. It still doesn’t matter. One is a production car, the other is a very different thing altogether.

 

I don’t think that’s true. Ignoring emissions (which is an undoubted issue for Ferrari, and which applies differently to Lambo because of their membership of the VW group) there are also other sound reasons. Ferrari’s view of the V12 platform is that it is best suited to a front-engined car in Ferrari’s historic mould. It’s easy to see why. If you have a lot of weight in the powertrain, where it is located makes quite a difference. If you locate it out back, it is already a lot of mass, high up, to control. Exhibit A, the Aventador. Add a hybrid to that and you suddenly have an inordinate amount of mass to control. Granted, you get a lot of power, but you have to commit a lot of your tech to just keeping the thing manageable. A Revuelto is nearly 4,400lbs! Awesome car, but more a thing for Lambo to do than Ferrari. It’s slower around a track and slower overall, compared with the lighter, more nimble and much older SF90. For Ferrari’s version of the V12, a front-engined car has been selected and is probably better off with no hybrid. Why does it need the extra power? It will never be as dynamic as the mid-engined platforms. It’s better as a ‘pure’ sporting GT without hybrid. The only exception to this ‘12 at the front’ rule for Ferrari is when considering the supercar, as fully discussed on this thread. Whether one agrees or not, the reasons for Ferrari to choose the V6 for the F80 are:- (select your preference) cost, wilful ignorance or race-bred, Le Mans-winning V6 technology being ideally appropriate for an aero-led race/road supercar.

 

I agree but headlines figures are part of the ploy for a halo car.

 

Let's be strict, the dry weight of the Revuelto is not 4,400 Lbs but 1,772 Kg (3,906 Lbs), precisely 212 Kg (467 Lbs) more than the SF 90.
Even though it is heavier, the Revuelto is only slightly slower than the SF 90 but faster than any of the present road legal Ferraris with the exception of the SF90 XX.
Both the SF 90 and the Revuelto are very, very fast cars, so the overwhelming majority of their owners will never be able to take full advantage of their performance capacities. At the end of the day what distinguishes these two cars is the driving experience that each of them is capable of providing. In this regard, and given that EVO is not just any magazine but an "institution", I will once again include an excerpt from what Jethro Bovingdon wrote after testing the Revuelto:

“The comparison with the SF90 is instructive because the two cars’ differing approaches are so obvious and tangible. Despite both relying heavily on the technological tools at their disposal, the Lamborghini has deliberately tried to hide the various levers it’s pulling and create a very natural, almost classical dynamic feel and balance. The torque vectoring may be over-speeding the outside wheel in low-speed turns and doing the opposite to aid stability in the really fast turns, but you don’t feel that. Nor is there the sense that the four-wheel drive is constantly massaging and managing the balance. In an SF90 there’s a lot of manipulating going on and you know when the front axle is fully engaged and trying to drag the car straight. It’s fascinating but often counter-intuitive, and the lack of consistency can make the car a bit of an enigma to untangle. The Lambo is a breeze to read and exploit by comparison. Mostly this is a very neutral car – much more so than early Aventadors – but it also reacts with real energy as you attempt to balance it under power. There’s a delicate sense of poise and adjustability that’s at odds with the sheer forces at work. “

Those who took charge of Ferrari after the departure of LCDM decided that the front-engined car would become the paradigm of the V12 NA, however this is not inevitable and it was not always like this. If that were the case, Ferrari would not continue writing the following compliments about the LaFerrari hybrid (Magazine 2023):

“The LaFerrari’s electric motor filled in the missing torque. It was fêted as one of the greatest powertrains in Ferrari history, combining a glorious high-revving V12 to entertain and serenade, and the electric motor to give instant throttle response and to enhance overall performance, silently and seamlessly. Unlike some hybrids, the response was also linear and natural…….. Its V12 gave it the explosive charm of a great analogue sports car. Yet its electronic controls – including a superb stability system – flattered the driver and seamlessly boosted performance. It was a masterful example of how high-tech can enhance driving enjoyment. Said one road tester of the Ferrari LaFerrari (to give it its full name): ‘It’s so good they named it twice.”

It's not about nostalgia, but if LCDM were still the chairman of Ferrari, I'm convinced that the V12 NA engine would also be used in at least one of the current AWD mid-engine hybrids. IMO that should have been the natural evolution after the hybrid masterpiece that is the LaFerrari. With all its technology and know-how I have no doubt that if Ferrari wants to, but unfortunately it doesn't, will be able to develop a hybrid model that is more performant and lighter than the Revuelto but with an high-revving V12 to entertain and serenade.

 

Mario, does the Lamborghini use an electric front end similar to SF90, or does it use the more traditional Lamborghini mechanical approach to AWD- as the prior Lamborghini models work? For whatever its worth, I don' think many here would disagree with you- the NA V12 should be the heart of Ferrari, for lots of reasons. But, there are times when this isn't so. Just imagine in 1987 when they launched the F40. Was there a V12 in a production Ferrari? I don't think so- they did have a flat 12- which is cool- but not quite the same. The thing that really jumps out to me about the Lamborghini, despite having the vaunted carbon tub, its so much heavier. Where did all the weight savings go?

Getting back to F80, its curb weight is considerably lower than I would have guessed given its carbon construction and hybrid turbo power. Perhaps this is part of the reason for the engine choice. I agree with a point I think you are making- it really comes down to how these cars drive. I agree with that. If the F80 drives incredibly, really involves the driver, perhaps in new and innovative ways, then I think it will be seen as a big step forward, and perhaps that will be a part of its eventual legacy.

 

Jerry, both the SF 90 and the Revuelto have 3 electric motors. The SF 90 has 1 rear motor that is sandwiched between the 4.0L V8 and the eight-speed dual-clutch manumatic. The Revuelto has 1 rear motor smuggled inside a brand new, Lamborghini-designed eight-speed double-clutch gearbox (replacing the single-clutcher of the Aventador). At the front both models have two electric motors mounted on the front axle each driving one front wheel.

When they launched the F40 in 1987 in addition to the flat 12 of the Testarossa, Ferrari also produced the V12 that equipped the 412.
Although the Revuelto weighs 212 kg (467 lbs) more than the SF 90, many of those who have driven it even on the track say it is incredibly nimble. Some also mention that the rear-wheel steering system is very effective masking the weight because it helps the car change direction with savage effectiveness.

Concerning the F80 I never suggested it should have an NA V12 instead of the turbo V6. On the contrary, following the tradition of previous models in this family, the F80 has to reflect the state-of-the-art of the world of competition and does so using the architecture of the 499 P Le Mans and also the cutting-edge technology from F1. The only thing I say is that I see no reason whatsoever why Ferrari shouldn't offer a mid-engine hybrid with a V12 NA engine. Judging by the Revuelto, IMO a Ferrari mid-engine hybrid with a V12 NA made with all Ferrari's know-how would be certainly a successes and therefore more exciting than an SF90 or any hybrid turbo V8.

 

I forgot about the angular 412 of the era. You know what they say about competition- it improves the breed!

 

Me and my customer configured the F80 together today..
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Hope the 798 that remain will be more tasteful.

 

Everyone has their own taste.

 

i think it’s a goof.

 

your customer will keep this car or try to profit from resale?

 

He will put it away in his collection.

 

And I hope drive it often...

 

I will keep the car 3 months with me when it be delivered.

 

Thanks for sharing configuration. When you speced F80 was there any crieteriums what is not possible spec like front black / carbon part or roof ? Is there chance for example choose front part not only in black or normal carbon but for example colored carbon or transitioonal or maybe have it in color ?

 

They said the same thing with the Nevera, apparently that was only the first year of production of like 30 cars......