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308 GTS QV - Engine misfiring (or similar!)

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  1. I love my 308 GTS QV

    Oct 19, 2024
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    Justin Barrington
    Hi,
    I have a 1985 308 GTS QV. Normally runs very nicely.
    When fully warmed up and a run of around 30 miles, it starts to play up.
    The rev counter falls to zero even though the engine is still running.
    It feels like only 4 cylinders are working as the power reduces significantly.
    Then runs normally. Then misfires/rev counter. etc. Repeats. When running poorly, power is very erratic. Back fires.
    Let it cool the runs normally again.
    Any thought as to what this could be as ferrari specialist unable to diagnose so far.
    Many Thanks. And yes, I do love my hot red Italian!!
     
  2. moysiuan

    moysiuan F1 Rookie
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    Crank position sensor?

    Can you indicate what the Ferrari specialist has checked and ruled out?
     
  3. I love my 308 GTS QV

    Oct 19, 2024
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    They could not get the same fault even though they test drive it for an hour. they checked the electrical ignition systems and cleaned connectors. They checked the fuel systems and refurbished the cold start - just in case..,But I did not ask the full detail. Would it help if I asked them?
     
  4. Steve Magnusson

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    This is a strong clue that the coil primary for the "bad" bank is not firing (and it's the bank whose Digiplex ECU is supplying the tach signal). Top suspects = TDC crank sensor for that bank as moysiuan suggested, or Digiplex ECU for that bank, or coil/coil primary connections for that bank. Intermittent Gremlins are the worst. If the problem can get more consistent you can swap components and see if the problem moves to the other bank, or not, to find the bad player.
     
  5. johnk...

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    Jun 11, 2004
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    I had exactly a similar problem last year. RPM dropped to zero, lost a bank.....then it would come back. Ultimately, while trying to isolate which bank was the problem, I unplugged the digiplex units and after plugging them back in the problem disappeared. Just a bad contact. So that's where I would start.
     
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  6. moysiuan

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    Looks like they did their best to deal with a problem they could not recreate. The crank sensors are just magnets, and the degrade with time and heat. The heat once warmed up might be the cause. They magnets dont necessarily fail in a binary way, so can present intermittent issues. I would replace, even if not the problem it is reasonable preventive maintenance from age and not big a job to get done.
     
  7. afterburner

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    It could be the connector connecting the sensor to ecu wiring too (as was on mine).
     
  8. Pierceb

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    I had exact same problem a while ago. Turned out to be electrical connectors right beside drivers rear wheel liner. Did you have you wheel liner out recently? Try cleaning them up and reconnecting. Not saying it will be your fix, but at least you can rule it out if it doesn’t work.
     
  9. afterburner

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    On the QVs there are 2x2 wires departing from that plug, one to the ecu and one to the diagnostics plug. In my case, the one to the diagnostics plug was fine so when I tested from the "outside" via the diagnostics plug, it all checked out. But its twin wire to the ecu had broken so there was no signal at the ECU.
     
  10. I love my 308 GTS QV

    Oct 19, 2024
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    Yes, they reported as follows:

    The vehicle starts and runs fine, Road-tested and still drove fine, disconnected cold start injector in case this was staying powered up and flooding the engine when hot but there is no feed to injector after 11 seconds from cold as that is how it works, so road-tested with it disconnected, still no running issues, reconnected cold start injector. Removed the boot trims on the left side to get to the ignition control unit as it controls the ignition system and feeds the rev counter. Found no issues with any connections but cleaned and crimped all contacts anyway. Still could not fault running, drove for 36 miles with no running issues
     
  11. afterburner

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    A cold start injector could simply leak - even when not powered. Not saying it is the issue here but the only way to rule it out would be to remove it from the car, place it into a container to catch potential fuel, blank of the plenum hole, start the engine and run it to see it it leaks fuel into the container.

    Unplugging it is a test for the thermo-time switch controlling it, not a leakage test of the injector.
     

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