Whom will win the US election?

Putin isn't going to win anyone's popularity contest, but he is an adept politician and a patriotic Russian. The west largely forgets how much Russia suffered in WW2 (and from Stalin afterwards) and underestimates the depth of national sentiment.

Putin said he would invade if NATO invited Ukraine. The very next week, Biden signed an agreement to start the NATO admission process.

A useful summary of the facts (from Peter Smith, who writes well on this subject):

♦ The US has given more military aid to Ukraine than the UK and EU combined. Yet, Europe as a whole is bigger than the US and much closer to Ukraine.

♦ Without US aid Ukraine would have crumbled under the Russian onslaught.

♦ Even with arms and other aid from the US and Europe, Ukraine cannot win the war – Russia is too powerful. However, a continued supply of sophisticated armament’s would allow Ukraine to drag out the war for an indefinite period – resulting in a continued loss of vast amounts of US treasure, more devastation of Ukrainian cities and infrastructure, and the continuation of slaughter on the battlefield.

♦ Russia will not agree to peace terms which has NATO on its doorstep or which cede hard-won occupied territory.

♦ The war has made allies of Russia, China, North Korea and Iran. The more the war goes on, the closer might this alliance become. Not a desirable outcome for the West in general and the US in particular.

 

In the last week Andrew we have had Chinese navy ships conducting live firing in the Tasman sea. Don't tell us we are a long way away.

Everything you accuse Russia of, China has been doing for years and continues every day.

Where is the western media outrage over China's occupation of Tibet? The imprisonment of Uyghurs? The persecution of Chinese nationals living in Australia?

 

Come on Ian, the bulk of US 'aid' was cast off materiel, which Trump is now demanding payment for, in the form of rare minerals... Actual 'human' aid was about the same as the EU.
I was wondering how long it would take the Trumpettes to come up with a validation for him cosying up to Russian dictator...
Trump is in Putin's pocket - no doubt some new golfcourses coming up soon in areas frequented by the oligarchs.

 

Just the response I expected.

 

An accurate analysis from the BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62002218

 

FFS, as usual, diatribe and BS rule the waves

Putin is a dictator, Trump is his sycophant and is stealing a country's resources

When did Australia ask for recompense for fighting in two world wars ?

Remember lend lease ?

America has always wanted pay for play

Not that the rich c***s went to war, oh no, let's send our young and the future of country while we run the war machine

I think everyone should go to Arlington at least once to see the real stats of wars

Australia has been with the Americans in all the wars of the 20th century fighting side by side and their president rewards that allegiance with tariffs that affect Australian jobs

Then there is Canadian allegiance which is also thrown out the window

So what if Ukraine was going down the NATO path, it was there to protect Europe from Russia

The Russians have been c***s forever, just check out the concrete fortresses around Australia that were built to protect Australia at the turn of the 20th century from the Russians, and the UK have NEVER trusted Russia, I wonder why?

You idiots sticking up for Trump are siding with Russia

Yes NATO countries have fallen behind in military duty levels and they should bear more of the load but Trump seems to forget what the NA in NATO was about

If I'm supposedly a leftie then why am I on Ukraine's side and you right wingers are supporting communism ?

Trump is a ****, how would you feel if this idiot was negotiating a deal for Australia/Indonesia war and he wanted all our iron ore rights to protect us?

I love my country as do the Ukraines but don't come up with a BS spreadsheet of crap to defend a dictator and murderer AND communist because you think Trump is the second coming , he's nothing but a lowlife property developer behaving as a narcissistic bully

 

And you reckon I’ve got comprehension issues…

 

No, I think you're blinkered

Tell me why Trump is supporting communist dictators and murderers .... I don't

The trouble with hard right wingers is they can make excuses for BS just like hard left wingers but centralists will listen to both sides and decide for themselves what they think is best for our part of the world

Bottom line is do you support Ukraine or Russia?

 

Stop beating around the bush - tell us what you really think!

 

Only because I want to use this quote from Clint Eastwood (and others)

While I disagree with most of his stuff there are a couple of moments of positivity,I even linked one here not so long ago. .

I've been trying to find a shortish version of describing Pres/Mr D Trump that bring together all his qualities when a microphones and cameras are in front of his mouth.

In my point of view he is : A walking talking breathing cluster f**k.

 

It's an indication of the strength of the left's arguments that they so quickly resort to schoolyard taunts.

Biden triggered a war which has cost the west $250Billion and they call Trump names?

Please read some history. NATO is a treaty to defend western Europe. Ukraine was part of Russia since the Truce of Andrusovo in 1667.

 

A lot has changed since 1667 FFS

You are supporting communism, get over it

Talking shjt as usual with right wing revisionism

Don't let current history play any part

 

And BTW if you think I'm a leftie it all depends on the time of day, some days Attila the Hun is a soft cock compared to me while other times I'm a communist as my father use to call me

WTF would anyone here be a Putin fan like Trump ???!!!

 

Anyone who votes Labor, Green, or Teal supports communism far more directly than Ian or I do.

 

We're just here to entertain you

 

Oh I'm laughing at the communist supporters

 

Putin has been twisting history to suit his own propaganda ends for many years - it's basically the standard dictator playbook. He was going to invade Ukraine regardless of the NATO stuff. It suited his political agenda. Nazis 'rewrote' history in the 1930s and I'm sure there are examples going back further in time. Trump is just doing the same thing, just more clumsily.

I mean, siding with Russia and North Korea in a UN vote?

None of them are really communists. They are just power hungry egotists who want the money and power for themselves. At least Stalin didn't do it for the money, he was just a psychopath and killed millions of his own as well as other Europeans.

Aware of the Chinese ships in the Pacific too - that makes the news here if you know where to look. Xi is playing an even longer game than Putin as far as I can see, from a position of greater strength - but they both have domestic economic issues that will challenge them. Putin much more so though. When you have to rely on North Korean troops to act as cannon fodder it signals that there are issues in their system. Putin has ultimately miscalculated and will be in hock to China for a long time to come - if he survives. He should check his tea and keep away from high windows!

Iran will be caught up in it's own turmoil as the leadership gets older and Israel gets more aggressive. Syria collapsing has dealt them a big blow.

Things don't look great where ever you are! At least Perth is a bit more removed from all this stuff.

Maybe it's time that old white egotistical narcissists stopped running the world and let some more sensible people take over...

Meanwhile I'll sit here spending money on Ferrari parts. Keep up the sensible discussion and be grateful that no ordinance is raining down on you!

 

People have forgotten, or refuse to acknowledge, that the Russians have killed millions of their own people :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Russia

Putin is just a dictator and murderer, and to side with him is an abomination and disrespectful of the cold war where the US sent many of their people, along with us and many other countries to wars (Korea/Vietnam to name a couple) against the "Red menace"

The US use to fight communism, now they are siding with them, shame on Trump

 

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Brilliant

 

I hope the Trumpettes posts are being archived somewhere for review in 5 years time...

 

And are there any factual errors in it?

 

Interesting

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Exactly WHAT American security have we consumed in the last 80 years?
We have supported the US for 80 years - not the other way around.
We spend billions on over-priced equipment; the latest on subs we'll likely never see (as acknowledged in that article).

 

Where is that from ?

I liked most of it so it can't be Fox/Sky

https://www.dva.gov.au/news/latest-stories/remembering-battle-australia

I think we shoud abandon the subs and spend all that money on F35 and F22s (if they will sell them to us) and long range missiles

Warships are just target practice for aircraft ...... we have great radar capabilities :

https://www.dst.defence.gov.au/news/2023/03/21/story-behind-jorn-%E2%80%98we-young-guns-were-going-make-good-we-could%E2%80%99#:~:text=Australia%20boasts%20the%20world's%20best,km%20from%20the%20country's%20shores.

So we can see potential threats and with 72 F35s have the ability to have limited defense

https://www.defence.gov.au/defence-activities/projects/joint-strike-fighter-aircraft#:~:text=The%20Australian%20Government%20approved%20AIR,A%2D18A%2FB%20Hornets.

We're only 25 million people with no nuclear weapons but in a nuclear conflict we don't need them, the world will be gone as I seem to remember that Russia and the US had the capability to wipe out the world several times over

Unlike America we don't sack our military leaders, our ADF swear allegiance to whoever is the current government and follow the orders given them by whichever govt.

This is why the old and present parliament houses are in DIRECT sight of the war memorial as a reminder of their decisions




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