V10 | Page 3 | FerrariChat

V10

Discussion in 'F1' started by 375+, Feb 20, 2025.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. 375+

    375+ F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Dec 28, 2005
    13,648
    jpalmito, Temerian, DF1 and 2 others like this.
  2. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    No one makes money selling cars off F1. Zero. Ferrari doesnt need it and Aston is a loser of sales F1 or not. F1 has zero firm plan for the future as Ive posted and others here. I have no idea why Cadillac wants in on this and Ford is not stupid enough to have a team again as they have stated using far more diplomatic language lol. F1 is not a good test bed except for F1 specific items. As much innovation has been developed in other series or by makers not even racing at the time. Any car produced as a derivative of F1 is so atmospherically expensive they matter zero to the rational real world.

    No one is going to make V10's as they are not needed at all. What race was not well attended lately? F1 is popular with the current formula and should be in 2026 to see how the teams have interpreted the new formula regs. Volume/large displacement is not needed to make power. When you rely on nostalgia for more ideas you have probably run out of them potentially lol! :)
     
  3. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Oct 31, 2016
    24,278
    Corpus Christi, Tx.
    Full Name:
    Joe R Gonzales
    There are independent engine builders that will create V10's like Judd and Cosworth. RedBull would stay in F1 now that they are a full works team even IF F1 went with a V10 formula. Mercedes would definitely bow out. Ferrari would also be in F1 IF F1 went to V10's. Mclaren a maybe(highly stress) since they rely on an engine manufacturer to supply their cars....maybe from RedBull or Judd or Cosworth should they stay. Williams would stay and they would be in the same predicament as Mclaren regarding engine supplier. Aston a maybe but my bet they would stay since they are fully vested and invested into F1.

    Again, F1 is more about entertainment than an R&D platform when it comes to what propels an F1 car.

    IMO, these "efficiency driven-lets-save-the-planet" manufacturers should invest in WEC and take it from there....just like they are doing with hydrogen driven WEC cars.
     
    375+ likes this.
  4. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    27,640
    I can assure you there are turbo hybrid production cars.
    Lots of them here in Europe !! Renault, Dacia, Citroen (Stellantis), etc ... maybe you haven't heard of them ?
     
  5. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Oct 31, 2016
    24,278
    Corpus Christi, Tx.
    Full Name:
    Joe R Gonzales
    Nope....and I'm sure they wouldn't sell well here in the states.
     
  6. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    27,640
    The States aren't the dominant market anymore.
     
  7. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    27,640

    Aren't BMW, AUDI, Volvo, VW, Skoda, Mercedes, Range Rover, Lexus or Mazda sold in the US too ? o_O
    They all have some turbo hybrid models in their range.
    In Europe, we have turbo hybrid JEEP Wranlglers, don't you also have them ?
    Listening to you, I could believe the States are a technology backwater. Lol

    FYI, the Ferrari 296 GTB, and the Maserati MC20 ARE turbo hybrids !!
     
  8. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

    Nov 4, 2003
    9,721
    Hybrids on the street are all about using less gasoline from point a to point b.
    296 and Mc20 are not about saving anything...
    But then neither is any form of racing.......
     
  9. NGooding

    NGooding Formula 3
    Rossa Subscribed

    Apr 5, 2021
    1,270
    Connecticut, USA
    Full Name:
    Nate
    I prefer this vision. Smaller teams led by racers (not corporate executives), running with smaller budgets, using engines supplied by firms like those you mention, and operating within a rules framework that emphasizes emotion, not efficiency.

    But this vision won't happen. There's too much money at stake for F1 to allow the manufacturers to walk away. And so, the sport will remain hostage to their marketing agendas.

    But, perhaps that's OK. As @DF1 pointed out, F1 is more popular than ever. I may have lost interest in the sport that consumed me for twenty years or so, but apparently I'm in the minority. So, who am I to say what's right?
     
    Jeronimo GTO and william like this.
  10. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Oct 31, 2016
    24,278
    Corpus Christi, Tx.
    Full Name:
    Joe R Gonzales
    No, it's just that those vehicles don't appeal to THE STATES interests.
    Top 25 vehicles sold in the U.S. by Kelly Blue Book. BTW, most are pickups and there are definitely ALOT of them in Texas.

    https://www.kbb.com/best-cars/top-10-25-best-selling-cars-trucks-suvs/
     
  11. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    27,640
    Hybrid choice here is less about using less fuel than escaping the very punitive carbon tax which can add up to 60 000€uros to the purchase price (predicted to become 100K€uros in years to come).
     
    375+ likes this.
  12. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    27,640
    On this side of the pond, we don't count pick-up trucks and vans as "cars" in our stats. They are utilitarian vehicles.
     
    375+ likes this.
  13. 375+

    375+ F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Dec 28, 2005
    13,648
    From F1 to F150s--let's get back ontrack.
     
    Jeronimo GTO and william like this.
  14. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Oct 31, 2016
    24,278
    Corpus Christi, Tx.
    Full Name:
    Joe R Gonzales
  15. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

    Nov 4, 2003
    9,721
    Yes, but 296 (as a hybrid) uses more gasoline than F355 as an example.
     
  16. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Oct 31, 2016
    24,278
    Corpus Christi, Tx.
    Full Name:
    Joe R Gonzales
    BREAKING:

    Formula 1 could go back to using V10 engines!

    There are discussions taking place within F1, with one to keep the current regs for 2 more years and switch to V10's in 2028

    Another is to keep the 2026 regs for only 3 years instead of 5 before switching to V10 engines

    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
    NGooding and 375+ like this.
  17. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    27,640
    :p
    Hybrid V10 then ? :p
     
  18. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

    Mar 24, 2008
    42,711
    ESP
    Full Name:
    Bas
    I think the 2026 regulation to be abandoned, however much I'd like to not have those engines, is unlikely...I wholly support keeping the current regs for 2 more years and then V10s. I assume manufacturers will push back on this BUT one thing we have in our favour is that if the 2026 regs prove to be as unpopular with the fans as it looks like, it'll be cheaper for F1 teams to forget the money already spend as it'll likely be more expensive to have the 2026 engines go in effect...the loss of sponsorship because of significant downturn in viewership can not be underestimated. Gaining viewers back to a sport is ALWAYS going to be harder.

    2028 V10s though....for the love of God let it happen. I'll go to GP's again for sure!
     
    NGooding, 375+ and jgonzalesm6 like this.
  19. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Oct 31, 2016
    24,278
    Corpus Christi, Tx.
    Full Name:
    Joe R Gonzales
    I don't believe so.:)
     
  20. GuyIncognito

    GuyIncognito Nine Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 30, 2007
    99,764
    just take these cars, with slick tires, add a halo if you must. problem solved

    [​IMG]
     
  21. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Oct 31, 2016
    24,278
    Corpus Christi, Tx.
    Full Name:
    Joe R Gonzales
    And just maybe,.......maybe......DRS.
     
    SS454 likes this.
  22. GuyIncognito

    GuyIncognito Nine Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 30, 2007
    99,764
    no. DRS needs to die
     
    swift53, 375+ and jgonzalesm6 like this.
  23. 375+

    375+ F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Dec 28, 2005
    13,648
    Me too. I've attended more than 30 F1 races over the years but none since 2013.
     
    Bas likes this.
  24. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

    Mar 24, 2008
    42,711
    ESP
    Full Name:
    Bas
    I've only ever seen V10s in demos. I missed the Barcelona GP in 2002 or 03, we were supposed to move to spain when I was little, so we planned it in together with seeing homes. Then plans changed and we moved to the caribbean instead, and we couldn't go to the GP.

    V8s I did silverstone 2007, V6 Barcelona 2016 and Zandvoort 23.
     
  25. 375+

    375+ F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Dec 28, 2005
    13,648
    My favorite formula was the 3.5 liter of the early 1990s. Incredibly diverse powerplants and the v12s of the era were magnificent(especially the Lamborghini).
     
    Bas likes this.

Share This Page