296 brakes are great, but you nailed the operating cost comment. That’s exactly why none of these are track cars. Period. That doesn’t mean you can’t hustle them around a track with your mates or on Ferrari days. Like people are so apt to post pics of here as if it proves some point. These are not cars built to beat on, lap after lap. The 296 challenger is for that. The XX is ultimately an amazing road car. It looks incredible. I’d love one. But it’s for rich posers if they portray it as their track car. As the 296 VS will be. If I get one it’s because I love the look and want to experience the best of this platform. And ego, frankly. But 99% of my experience will be road use and probably road use within 25 miles of my house. I’ll go on track with it 2-3x a year and maybe do 75 total laps of Pitt Race (if I can fit inside with a helmet!).
Yeah, I was surprised by how much body roll was exhibited in the Pista when I tracked it. I chalked some of it up to my skill set because it was my first time at that particular track. Exasperated by having to support myself a bit with the wheel because of the lack of lateral support with the seat, it was a real "don't meet your heroes" moment. The brakes were not wonderful either, but it was 105 degrees outside. The 720, as a somewhat random example (488 series competitor), does a better job on the track. Either way, I still love the Pista. To me, its one of the best looking cars Ferrari has ever built
Rich posers if they portray - according to who - you? You going to walk up to a guy on track with his XX and call him a poser or just make a pixie dust post. I love how people say things when they aren't willing to say the same to someone in person. Obviously my 16M on track bothered you - sorry to post a pic in a Ferrari forum of a car on track. Post a video of you on track - would love to watch - prove your point as you have some odd issue with my post. There are a few guys here who can't help themselves from seeing up what others should do with their hard earned money. Tracking racing is expensive - is that a newsflash. Pleas just post a video - you ar anyone else it's better than what someone else car is worth. I love this place and car guys - some of you just aren't car guys - it's that simple.
.... or doesn't like sh*t talkers. You want to send me a dm and spend a day on track - name the place - I will show up. Let's be real - stop the whining and actually show cars on track or ownership experiences - all this bs dramatics and not one picture or post of reality. Dude - I organized hundreds of guys here to go to Vegas over a decade ago. So tired of weak posts with weak content - put up something worthy - all this weak sauce judgmental posts are dull. What's my Ferrari worth when will prices drop oh brakes are expensive ... in every g-d damn thread.
From your posts here I’d say you do come across as a rich poser. And as mentioned quite thin skinned. Nobody cares that you “hope you get an allocation” which you’ve mentioned like 20x. Your posts are nearly incomprehensible at times and manic at others. Incoherent and overwhelming. I track all my exotics, but I don’t think they’re “track cars” just because I track them. If I stand on an NBA court it doesn’t make me a professional basketball player. To me a track car, a real track car, has multiple characteristics. 1. Easily repairable. I need to know if I’m pushing, I can afford to bin it. 2. less costly and replaceable comsumables. 3. downforce 4. Slick tires, amazing the difference they make. 5. Stripped interior. If there is navigation, car play, not a track car. What Ferrari does this sound like to you?
You shouldn’t let it get to you, long time ago when i drove an Audi, I was a member of the Audiforum and I remember that on that forum there was also a group of people that were always whining about how the brake pads were a ripoff , how ceramic brakes were just marketing not worth spending your money on and how Audi overcharged on maintenance compared to a Volkswagen that had the same engine ….. it’s life, some people are just born like that , eternal complainers. Just ignore their posts , it works for me .
Is this the twilight zone? What was your post about the Pista and its suspension, interior height, etc?
However anyone chooses to enjoy a Ferrari is fine by me. If you track your cars. Great. Hell if you’re so rich you can just destroy them and continue to repair them and replace worn out parts. Also, great! But let’s be real about the cars. They’re amazing road biased cars that are very performance oriented so they’re fun on track. They aren’t “track cars” and it shouldn’t trigger anyone to state as so.
You are sensitive. Whenever there is an opinion that you disagree with or a fact that counters yours, you get so up in arms that you go on some incoherent rant that would make an opiate addict jealous and then offer to meet said person. That is not normal behavior. "Never a picture never a drivers experience never assisting anyone to fix their car/issue". For the uninitiated, Coco wrote this above and then removed it (he edits every post if you have not noticed). - Just a few posts up, I shared my experience tracking a Pista. That's your "drivers experience". I also love the Pista, and I am not whining about the car, I am just telling you the VS cars are not specialized track weapons.
Sorry you misunderstood that post. It wasn’t a complaint on the car, it was an objective review, as I said , I love the car and drive it on track a lot. Image Unavailable, Please Login
So hopefully the 296VS takes a lot of cues from the Pista. Somehow most of my contacts all say they love the Pista a bit more when I show up in another F car.
Blah blah - post a pic or video. You are pixie dust strong. Since you chose to make a stand - show me a post where I disagree with someone who's intent was not to insult others - find just one. You need to call your boys - I;m good mono e mono send a dm. Feel free to walk the talk when my VS arrives you bring any car you wish - street stock we can race - deal? Any track anywhere - Drago vs Rocky, that's how car guys roll.
Has anyone tracked the 296GTB or GTS, any battery/thermal issues after a few rounds? I don’t have a Ferrari 296 track reference, but I do for Porsche GT3 (992) and GT3RS (991) - anyone with seat time in something like those know how the 296 compares? Is roll an issue?
I have spent time in track with the 296 and I can compare it to both the Porsches, those are very different cars. Short version 296 has a lot more power to accelerate out of the corners and for the straight, you’ll fly past those Porsches like if they were standing still. Balance of the 296 is way better than the Porsche ( mid engine vs rear engine) , the 296 is also easier to drive fast ( requires less concentration and less piloting skills ) than the Porsche. But corners is something else , there the 296 is slower , it has more weight, less downforce and the suspension and geometry ( wheel alignment) is less track oriented than the gt3 or gt3RS. All combined the 296 is quicker around most tracks than the 991 gt3 rs and 992 gt3 . It’s not quicker than the 992 gt3RS though. Never had any issue with the battery. Hope that answers your question.
I tracked our 296GTS and I also did Corso Pilota in the 296GTB. No issues in either car. I am a better track driver in the mid-engined car than I am in the 911 variants (I know that’s a function of my skillset and not an indictment of the Porsches as their capabilities far exceed my skills) and I really like the extra torque of the 296.
Thanks, looking forward to my first 296 track session. Will be at Losail circuit (Qatar) in a few days - perfect track for high speed!
The 296 will be a lot faster than the GT3 and GT3RS. The cornering speeds were unexpected for me given the significant weight of the 296; I think Ferrari managed to get a very low center of gravity (with the very open V6 and the batteries). Only negative was some unstability under hard braking, but it's not a real issue after the initial surprise, and it might have been corrected on newer cars with ABS and suspension tunings (I do not know as I only tested cars with Ferrari close to the model introduction).
I have a few track days on my 296 and 2 CP events. It's an incredibly capable car that hides its weight well. But there's no denying it's a heavy car, the brakes wear noticeably and the tires get hot quickly. Monitoring pressures (and lowering through out the day) and reducing camber helps significantly. With the same tires/same driver the 296 is faster on most tracks than a GT3. An RS may have edge on higher speed transition tracks. I haven't been on track with a well enough driven GT3RS to know for sure and haven't tracked one myself yet. On street tires I could hang with well driven GT4RS/cup cars. COTA/MSR/Sebring. As mentioned, it puts its power down almost magically and its acceleration is vastly superior to most cars you'll run into at a typical track event. Mine has been flawless on track, no issues. I did break a gas pedal on one of the CP cars though!
search for my track thread. car is amazing on track. no brake issues for me. i am easy on brakes. but some guys depend on them too much. factory brake fluid is super high temp.and the stock 4S tires are quite good. had no issues. car is tough and good. mine has the AF pack and CF wheels.
took my GTS and my friends near identical GTB to a track in south of Spain last summer spent half a day lapping at track temperatures over 40 deg Celsius. Neither cars missed a beat. On track they were significantly faster in the straights than the 992 GT3RS with us but obviously couldn’t match it in the corners. Body roll was not noticeable. Then drove them 1 hr back to hotel in Granada and 1,000 miles over a week mainly fast mountain roads in Sierra Nevada. No issues throughout and both cars have been pretty reliable since new 18+ months. My friend with the GTB has done several track days in his and I know of a fewer other UK owners that track theirs fairly often. Again no issues as far as am aware.
