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Cavallino Classic Modena - never again!

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  1. Edward 96GTS

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    im guessing Quail and Lee
     
  2. Rifledriver

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    No.
     
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  3. TTR

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    Actually, I did read OP along with all subsequent posts and can fully understand the annoyance/frustration rumen1 feels, but don’t see the point of this collective complaining about the way some event organizers go about their business, but perhaps doing it here constitutes for some form of kumbaya group therapy ?

    Simple approach, at least in my opinion, would be to just ignore such businesses/events and move on. You know, kind of like what they say about voting with ones wallet. That’s what I usually do, but then again, I don’t have need nor interest in participating events like these anyway.

    Perhaps Cavallino event organizers are just doing what Rob Lay thought and use these kinds of methods, if you will, to select their target audience ?
     
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    That's unbelievable.......but I do believe you.
     
  5. Rifledriver

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    It would be even more unbelievable if you knew who I was talking about. They are not small time recent collectors. Pretty sure Enzo had the old man on speed dial.
     
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    It was already dead before Mr Tortellini took it over
     
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  7. Nembo1777

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    I don't know, I stopped Writing for them in 2001 and haven't been to the classic since 2008.

    That being said, no matter the condition of a company/magazine/event you acquire you raise it, you don't pee on its values, its faithful clientele and history while arrogantly ignoring valid advice.
     
  8. tomgt

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    it is ONLY about the money
     
  9. rob lay

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    What we need to do is compare profile pictures of 25 people who are old school Cavallino saying that "it is dead" vs. 25 of the current paying entrants for the VIP going through the shoulder shoulder crowds. I bet you we will see the stark contrast between the demographic. Those saying "it is dead" are "about dead". :D

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    You can have it. Enjoy.
     
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    To stand amidst clueless influencers and look at me gold chain types to see that Lego monstrosity? No thanks. And your demographics are a carricature of the truth. Not so simple.
     
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  12. rob lay

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    I don't want it, you don't want it, old timers don't want it, but the young VIP types are what will make Cavallino and Ferrari ongoing entities for decades to come and make more money than ever long after we're gone.

    Amazing a bunch of grouchy old guys complaining about it. Do we expect the event to last on $150 tickets, 275's, and going to bed sleepy at 8pm? :D
     
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  13. rob lay

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    I'm sure the greatest generation said the same thing about you. ;)
     
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    You couldn’t be more wrong about this. You keep harping on price and age but it’s really not about either of those.

    Besides the young people in the car scene here don’t really support Cavallino. A few do but by and large all those “young” players, influencers and so called VIP’s were given passes in a PR effort. You can find them at other events but by and large Palm Beach isn’t “in” for young people.

    Maybe the new location in Boca will work better? it is an easier run from Miami now.

    No offense Rob but you are drinking the corporate kool aid. You have no frame of reference of past events and no local feedback of collectors and supporters.

    Don’t believe the hype!!! :D
     
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  16. rob lay

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    I would say you might be right, except the facts are in the turnout and profitability, both records by a long ways despite the ticket prices, Ferraris involvement, focus on newer cars, focus on younger demographic. I don’t have to like it like you, but it works. Now a better discussion is if a new event catering to the setup and demographic you speak would be successful, you think so, so y’all should do it.
     
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    How do you know the turnout records from the past? I’m highly skeptical they broke any past turnout records based on all the years I’ve gone. Hell the track day had bigger crowds than the past few concours.

    I have no skin in the game but I do want them to succeed. I’m just brutally honest as someone who has gone for decades when the claim is made that it is better now than it used to be. The caliber of cars present is the only “record” that measures in this respect.

    They do have their work cut out for them because there is more competition now than ever. The only way to make it work financially nowadays is running an auction as part of the event. Which I’m sure will be announced soon ;)
     
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  18. TTR

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    I tend agree with Rob.
    Everything in life evolves and generational changes are inevitable.
    While I’ve never been to Cavallino, I’ve been going to Monterey car week since the early 1990’s, used to enjoy it enormously, but about 10-15 years ago started noticing the generational and focus/interest shift in the majority of the events, which eventually lead me loosing interest attending most and now I don’t even bother.
    And like with most things in life, me pissing & moaning about the evolution of these events isn’t going to change anything.
    I’d say anyone who wants an event to be what they prefer, start one up and run with it.
     
  19. rob lay

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    the prior years would have to have 4x the people at 25% of the revenue just to be even out. I doubt that was the case. Even if turnout now is 25% down from total peak old school, revenue is 5-10x. the numbers don't lie, only nostalgia does. :D

    They are winning with a younger demographic, they are winning with Ferrari, they are winning as a business. I wish users would just acknowledge that truth and always say that first before saying, BUT I miss the old days of low ticket prices, more vintage cars, track days, and happy judges. ;)
     
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    I think many users here would be awakened to the intent of Ferrari if they attended Casa Ferrari at Pebble. I think it is smart too as RACE needs to be a growing profitable concern for many decades to come. Old School doesn't want Turbo 6's, EV's, Hybrids, complicated computer controlled F1's anyway. Old School also doesn't want to pay a MSRP at market, they were spoiled for decades paying 75% of market.
     
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    It is all up to the question if "evolution" is the correct word to be used here. I am speaking generally, I have no idea how the Cavallino Palm Beach is managed or if their service and quality is good or not, so I have no opinion on that whatsoever. I am talking generally. Evolution means it changes, but for better. And many times the change is for worse. I will give an example - I am going to Ferrari Finali Mondiali every year since 12 years. And I can definitely say, that it changed since then, but for sure it has not evolved.

    And another thing - there is no need for anybody to start an event, because I suspect basically everyone (old or young, new to Ferrari events or not) wants the same thing and that is: good experience, good behavior and attitude from the staff and a nice feeling at the end of the day.
     
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    Yes , of course everyone wants a good experience, but obviously it is or seems to be impossible to offer that at every event, Canossa/Cavallino organized included.
    But then again, I probably wouldn't enjoy them much, if at all, even if offered free of charge, including all accommodations, transport, etc. and probably why I've never attended any.
    I've been offered all expenses paid attendance at couple of F1 races in Europe & US, but have no interest in them at all.
     
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    I was talking strictly head count. Of course the revenue is up when it’s ten times what it was! :rolleyes: That doesn’t correlate to it being more popular though.

    Lol, I give up with you. :D My point has never been about cost, it’s always been about the quality/quantity of entrants, past vs. present. I do find it amusing that you are so confident about an event you’ve maybe gone to a handful of times vs. my observations based on annual attendance since 1997 ;)

    And for the record I’m 100% behind making it better. :D In fact, their success is good for me as it is in my backyard and has always been a great sales tool for me. That’s the one positive I hope comes out of the move to the new Boca location, more vendor/artist opportunities.

    I also still think you are dead wrong about it Cavallino pulling a younger demographic now but I certainly hope it will. We have a monthly Supercar Saturday event that draws an enormous crowd with a massive selection of newer exotics (for free) and their crowd is primarily young fans (20’s to 40’s).

    I’d much rather go to an event with younger enthusiasts. :)I’m no fan of the recent concours event trend that resembles the Hunger Games complete with over the hill women and wannabes dressed like circus clowns and plastic surgery advertisements :oops:
     
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    Super remark!
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    You don't think I'm 100% clear revenue and profit isn't YOUR KPI? Doesn't mean it isn't a key KPI though and let's not be hypocritical, if John could have made disruption changes and made 10x, would he have?

    I am taking hardly any data from my own personal observation, I am almost completely taking what old time users are saying here, especially you! I bet I could find a couple posts of yours that joke about ticket prices, at least that's a main point of other users here.

    Again, you are completely THICK and just argumentative now when we are 100% in agreement with each other! I agree with you it sucks tickets are higher, the same old school owners and cars aren't attending as much, and the demographic has shifted somewhat from enthusiasts to influencers. You should be in 100% agreement with me that they are killing it business wise, Ferrari is very happy and getting more involved, International luxury brands are more interested, they are getting more high end late model Ferraris, and it is becoming more social/VIP (Pebble like).

    Both perspectives can exist and I'm on your side, but I can see from the event perspective why they "sold out". John would have too if he could have.
     
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