296VS and LaF/918 production numbers and target audience are vastly different. Those are Halo cars. Not comparable. As for the first sale, the first one will sell for high because it will be the first. The first 296 that was listed on BaT and then taken down for breaking FRoF was really high IIRC. Let's not get caught up in this because the 296 is a sweet car. The SF90 is a sweet car. The residuals are not reflective of that. I suspect the car will hold value for being what it is, but not on the level of the Pista, Speciale and Scud. It's okay to disagree on this, no one needs to attack anyone. What we can ALL AGREE ON is the car will drive amazing. I bet it looks amazing too, because Ferrari VS cars always do. I am super excited to see it and I feel like a kid just waiting for it.
Since we have divergent opinions, and this is not a problem, I am going to the end of the reasoning which only commits me to the medium/long term. I think that the battery, beyond the additional complexity that makes it age badly, induces a lack of nobility compared to the NA. And in the collective unconscious, outside of hypercars, this will always be the case...
Yes, I think we can reasonably think that a V6TT hybrid is less noble than a V8/V12 NA, right ? Moreover, if Ferrari was sure of the opposite, it would not have put a V12 in an SUV to ensure sales ! We can turn the question in all directions, but a hybrid TT engine will never have the aura of an NA, especially in a collection. For me, it's a fact, not a hypothesis...
For now. People don’t like change. I own an 812 GTS for the engine. Regardless, smaller engines weigh less and make for better handling cars. Eventually, batteries will also get smaller and lighter. It’s where the puck is going, not where it’s been.
It's just not a term I'd use to describe cars lol. I like it, though. I don't necessarily agree. But it's a cool thought process.
V8 - very honorable Ferrari-san. V6 hybrid - very dishonorable, Ferrari-san. Great shame they have brought to us
I agree with the thought there Gretzky but eventually, when? Solid-state batteries have been right around the corner for years. Smaller engines weigh less, but not when you strap a battery to them. Who really cares though, the car drives better than me and the weight is not the limiting factor in MY track times.
Potential buyers do not always follow the logic we like - it seems a V6 Dino is currently valued (at least) like a V12 365 GTB/4 Daytona; the fact that it does not make sense does not prevent it to happen. And IIRC at some point in time (although my memories could be mistaken) the V12 F50 was less sought after than the turbo V8 F40.
I agree however why hasn’t pricing to change the batteries in these cars come down? It’s actually increased.
Did you ever consider... waiting til VS debut and perhaps a driving / track time before hating it? Batteries have been around for over a decade in hyper cars - P1 LaF 918 and they have all appreciated regardless of cost warranty. I don't care how many cylinders - looks and performance nether of which we have seen on the VS. Be patient you alway jump the gun and no offense but your are often incorrect.
How many times have you been on track in a Pista with a 296GTB? I have lots of first hand experience tracking the 2 cars together (driving both). I have a Pista (with a Manthey alignment - to reduce the factory understeer) and my best mates has a 296GTB that is setup.. We have had both cars on many tracks together (Silverstone, Brands, Spa, Nürburgring etc). We often swap cars. Both while on track are running Pilot Sport Cup 2 R.. The Pista and the 296 have a power to weight ratios that is very close.. The 296 in the real world is around 200 to 250kg heaver.. The 296 is very capable, very fast down the straights.. But after a few laps it gets dropped by my Pista.. The 296 over heats its tires and brakes and the hybrid system seems to reduce its power after a short amount of hard consecutive driving. I think my Pista drives better, feels more connected and is faster when it matters to me than my mates 296GTB... My mate agrees, he's bought a 296 to get the 296 VS model. I'm sure we will continue the fun and games and my Pista will get dropped once he gets his VS.. My Speciale btw drives better and gives me more enjoyment than my Pista (clearly slower, but not as much as you would think on Cup 2's). Have you driven any of these cars hard? Ps. How's the E-Type?
Increased? The SF90 and 296 batteries are still under warranty. My understanding- There is no pricing in the USA for these batteries yet.
Exactly- The 296 is better for the road than the Pista. For the track- best to compare the soon to be announced VS. If it wasn’t for tariffs I would be trying to get one.
I still fail to understand why Porsche can have a GT2 and a GT3 Yet Ferrari believes everyone wants a hybrid ? IMO if a non-hybrid VS version is made it will OUTSELL the Hybrid version. However, Ferrari don't care anymore, frankly couldnt give a rats arse. So sad given the heritage of the brand. I remember F1 being sponsored by fuel companies , trye companies , oil companies now its Louis Vuitton. How sad
That’s because it was made in extremely limited numbers. We are now talking regular production cars where cost is better amortized.
The only reason Porsche hasn’t done it yet is that Ferrari’s technology on this is more advanced than Porsche. Porsche is just late. Lambo was also behind yet ahead of Porsche. Porsche also builds in more durability. The issues on track that were described above (hard tracking) would be unacceptable in a Porsche GT car. Fine for a Ferrari road car.
It’s just business. Parts for high performance, lower production cars cost more because development costs are the same or higher while sales are lower- this necessitates higher prices.
