The (one and only) '0846' Debate Thread

If Ferrari were truly pissed off about this car they'd have crushed it by now. They have had enough chances.

 

Will it ever stop?

 

Apparently not.

 

NO, it will never stop, even though the movie has flashed after the 'credits', the fatalistic: "THE END" .

Why not start a new thread discussing points of view, of that constitutes a 'proper' restoration, or whatever else troubles the participants, etc., and leave 0846 alone? It has been played out to death.

Regards, Alberto

 

Beyond death. Close it off and start a thread for what is a fake, a recreation, an homage, etc.

 

There are still many people who have come into contact with Mr Glickenhaus and his 0846 propaganda who are unaware of FerrariChat, let alone this particular thread, that still believe the Glickenhaus P4 replica is the real Ferrari 330 P3/4 chassis number 0846, the winner of the 1967 24 Hours of Daytona driven by Chris Amon and Lorenzo Bandini.

Here is Shmee stating on IG that he has actually seen the real car himself in one of his posts that he has distributed on all his Social Media promotong a DeAgostoni scale model of the car.

 

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From the Fchat-appropriate album Garage Inc.

 

I suggest that for those of you who do not already have me on ignore, please feel free to do so and use the ignore feature.

 

Done(sorry)

 

I have a question I don't have anybody ask yet.

If this car is ever offered for sale in any reputable venue like some auction house it needs to have some name and identity in such a way that it can be presented as such with a straight face and the seller doesn't have to be afraid to be sued for misrepresentation.

In casual conversation somebody can refer to the car as Ferrari 0846 and others as DP0003 but can either of those names really be used in any official representation from which there can be consequences.

The chassis number is stamped as 0846 in such a way it is obviously not a Ferrari sanctioned stamping and i believe it does not have DP0003 stampings and the bogus 0846 stamps make it impossible to sell as DP0003.

Would this dilemma make this car less valuable as DP0002 which i believe has the proper stampings and can be presented in any venue as such and to be sold with dignity.

Is this car forever doomed to change hands only in private sale and never in public unless it is sold as parts car for the drivetrain.

 

Glickenhaus said he would never sell, maybe in part for the reasons you cite. Selling at a public auction would open a big can of worms.

That said, whatever this car is, it is a cool car.

 

The fake 0846 chassis plate has been made to look like an original 0846 chassis plate. See post here.

DP0002 is a far superior P4 replica than DP0003 having a real 350 Can Am engine, that was a P4 engine (that may well be from 0846), a real 603R P4 transaxle and a large proportion of the discarded P4 body from 0860.

DP0002 has a non original/inauthentic 0900 chassis stamping plate that has not been sanctioned by Ferrari. See post here.

 

@moikkavaan When DP0002, or rather DP2, was offered for public auction by Christies in 1987, see post here, when it did not sell, there was no mention of chassis number 0900 in its description.

 

Introducing the Itsabitsa DP846-003!

 

He said he'd never sell 412 P 0854 eithetr, but he did. A few of his other significant cars are for sale or have been sold I believe.

It has been offered for public auction previously in 1987, with quite an accurate description, but it has since received many modifications.

It certainly would. Just look at this thread/debate.

Yes, it is a cool car, just not the car described by the owner.

 

What an excellent, insightful line of questioning. Thank you for your post(!).

 

This must have been pre-Glickenhaus?

 

Yes, JG bought it in the year 2000.

 

So Piper put it up for auction. That makes sense.

 

Why not leave the 'showboating' be ? Please post interesting info.

Not about " De Agostoni" (sic) it is "De Agostini".

 

Thank you for the kind allowance

 

I rather love how people reach for the thesaurus to avoid using the term 'replica'. Evocation, homage, tool room copy, tribute, continuation etc..

 

Strictly difficulty with language usage, nothing else. They had no issues with the "Frazer Nash Le Mans Replica", did they?

"While the name "Le Mans Replica" suggests the cars were copies of the Le Mans racer, they were actually the production versions of the "High Speed" model, modified and built for customer use."

Thus the word REPLICA, had no negative connotations. Look up "Replicare" (Latin)