Red Bull F1

I read every post going back about 20 pages. There were some poor remarks but the crux of the matter is that your debate style on this issue got everyone else riled up. I got frustrated having to read all that from you, so I get it.

I'm willing, for now, to extend benefit of the doubt in assuming that it was not your intent to goad other people into bans, which is why you still have access to the site now. Please drop this issue and move on.

This thread is supposed to be about RED BULL, so let's draw a line under all that and collectively move on.

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There is is, that's the line.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Interesting conclusion to the article:

All these changes, however, didn’t work as expected, as they made the car even more unstable and with a lot of understeer during the mid-corner phase. Verstappen was everything but comfortable in the car on Friday, making a lot of mistakes and struggling with grip.

Waché underlined these issues as well at the end of testing: "It was not as smooth a test as we expected and the Team expected. But it is better to find some problems here than later down the line and it is why we are here, to understand the car. I am not as happy as I could be because the car did not respond how we wanted at times, but it is going in the right direction, just maybe the magnitude of the direction was not as big as we expected and it’s something we need to work on for the first race and future development.”​

They make some changes and the car is more now unstable. But they say they're heading in the right direction, just not as far as they'd have hoped. They wanted more instability?

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Thank you. Just so everyone doesn't get confused, direct insults are not allowed right? If not could you address those who gave insults? People may think insults are ok if moderators don't call those individuals out too. That way we are all on the same page. Thanks.

 

1-week ban. You should have moved on.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

He wants the last word in any discussion; that's his problem, I think.

 

Red Bull are definitely throwing the most "information" out there as far as their issues. Things we changed didn't work, made the car worse, but now were headed in the right direction kind of nonsense. I personally think this years car will be better than last years because I think that rear braking device they had to remove last year hurt as the car was fundamentally built around it and now they had to build one without it. Thank goodness we don't have to wait much longer to find out!

 

I think that makes a lot of sense.

 

Data on RedBull issues today in Practice.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/too-slow-red-bull-australia-friday-struggles-explained/

 

FWIW, Mark Hughes insists the device never existed, it was baseless information and everyone just ran with it and deemed it fact:

Mark Hughes on X: "@H4LoInReverse @wearetherace They have never had asymmetrical braking mate. It was a made-up story on an Italian website. Not a single other teams believes it ever existed. It’s a bollocks story that fans of the opposition choose to believe." / X

 

Red Bull racing. The one car team

 

They better do something like within 4 races or the team is toast. Swap out Yuki with Lawson.

Ferrari should stomp all over RedBull by accumulating points before RedBull make changes.

 

Yeah Perez reduex happening already

 

Yup.
Once Max leaves RB is done for..

 

Nah, they will still have Isaac Hadjar on their books to replace Max...

 

He did have a completely incident-free race... he just has the occasional hiccup before the lights go out.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Certainly one of the most over played stories now is Lawson at RedBull and how long he will last. This opinion from AutoSport is probably a good counter to the 'replace/who will replace' Lawson. The problem is how long and how much with cost cap vs new regs-car development. 1 day RedBull might understand it will lose Max and have to be a bit more 2 driver oriented as a habit of racing within 'team' sport lol. Should be interesting as this develops.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/how-do-you-solve-a-problem-like-red-bull-our-writers-have-their-say/10706095/

“Change your effing car” – Stuart Codling

The misattribution of a certain popular quote to Albert Einstein renders it no less accurate: “The definition of insanity is repeating an unsuccessful course of action again and again in the hope of obtaining a different result.”

This is just one quote that springs to mind – more later – as Red Bull seems set on shooting the pianist yet again.

Liam Lawson’s troubled Chinese Grand Prix weekend, in the wake of a similarly ghastly few days in Melbourne, has led to the inevitable speculation about when he will be fired or demoted to Racing Bulls – with Yuki Tsunoda, over whom he was initially preferred, heading to the benighted garage next door to Max Verstappen.

Red Bull has form in this department, having burned through juniors aplenty. Daniil Kvyat, Pierre Gasly and Alex Albon passed through in such quick succession that Dr Helmut Marko’s famous young-driver programme found itself with a shortfall. Experience was the proposed solution, and Sergio Perez duly met his Waterloo – yet still the pipeline was stuttering, hence Lawson becoming perhaps not Mr Right, but Mr You’ll Do For Now.

At the risk of stating the obvious, perhaps the problem is not the person in the driving seat so much as the fast-but-hideously-peaky confection of expensive alloys and carbon fibre that surrounds them.

It may be an expensive route to take. And, since the mission statement of the RB21 was to trade off some peak performance in order to make the peak easier to reach, perhaps the team doesn’t know how to get there.

Rather than carry on repeating a failed course of action, the time has come to try something different. In Christian Horner’s own words (to Toto Wolff, in a team principals’ conference captured in Drive to Survive Season 5): “You’ve got a problem – change your ******g car.”

 

"Change your effing driver!!"

Even if you looked at Lawson vs Tsunoda, it was clear as day who was the better of the 2.

RedBull is known to get good drivers but they really missed it big time with Lawson. This is clearly worse than Perez. I mean 8/10's down on Max here at China and a full second down in the wet at Melbourne. Perez never came in 20th place with RedBull.

 

it's quite funny how for years everyone and their dog have been saying that all his teammates are deliberately **** ones (for some bizarre reason this is in the teams interest, apparently) but now Perez looked like the half decent one all along lol.

Yuki and Lawson were very close, with Yuki being slightly faster, bearing in mind Lawson is a rookie. I think putting Yuki in that seat now we'll see Yuki get worse results than he does in the Toro Rosso.

We've clearly seen the likes of Albon and Gasly excelling in easier to drive cars, none of these drivers are bad, in fact the opposite. Sainz was a very nice match for Leclerc, beating him much more often than the playbook allowed, yet Albon right now is dominating him. Max dominated both Albon and Sainz.

Red Bull have a problem and that problem is Max. Max is ''too good". He drives around the faults of the car and still make it go quick. Red Bull have designed yet another car that is ''windtunnel quick'', but the windtunnel doesn't care for driveability. They lost their chassis genius Rob Marshall in early 2023 and that has been felt hard in 2024, and the changes he's made to Mclaren similarly have helped Mclaren significantly.

Whilst Max can drive around serious issues, he can only do so much. Last year he won the title by the skin of his teeth, so far I think this season the chance of that is little.

RBR is correct in having a car with as best aero possible, the sacrifice is that not everyone can drive the car as quick. I'd rather they get podiums and wins and the other car is doing whatever, than having a car that can only do 6th and 11th.

 

Spot on !!!

 

Its both as drivers change and the car remains something only Max masters in detail. They are missing Newey among others and in general seem to have zero idea what the car is doing overall so far. I expect Max to fall back tomorrow not move forward to be honest. They have tire management issues and a non podium is very possible.

 

Red Bull works around Verstappen and the car maybe is peaky, but obviously they´re doing something wrong with their second car. The performance of the occasional Verstappen´s dog has been going down steadily and now he´s dead last. Lawson can´t be so bad: they have to re-think the entire crew of that car and revise their working methods.

 

The haven't been willing to change the car to suit the second driver. I've been saying this for a while. Not everyone drives like Verstappen.
Basically they are to keep him happy and continue to deliver at the expense of garage #2.

Now, in my opinion it was a tremendous mistake to put almost a rookie in the RB, and with Max. Why didn't they promote Yuki? Far more
experienced now and he has tempered his anger somehow. Is it because Honda is leaving, or Max won't tolerate Yuki's character?
Whatever it is, they are all to blame.

 

If Lawsons showings keep being as they are Yuki will be in that car before long. However, I think Yuki will prefer to be in the Toro Rosso as he'll get better results there.

 

In my opinion, the RB21 is a very hard car to drive; Max can handle it, Liam cannot.

This is the evolutionary result of always targeting the car in Max's direction--nobody else can drive the thing.

Also:: In my opinion, changing Liam for "joe random driver" will not move the car up field unless they make the car easier overall to drive--and if they do that, then they don't have to replace Liam.

 

Agree that Max is carrying the team, and driving great at the moment. This is RBs design. They put their chips into one driver and make sure to get a weak, or inexperienced #2 driver. Vettel looked untouchable for a long time. If it keeps working for them, cool. But it's one of the many reasons I can't fully validate Max to be on the level of Schumacher or Sir Lewis Hamilton who went to other teams/systems and still won