Negative response to the 12 cilindri design

Wrong ! there were 3 designs for the 12C, from the aggressive to the most racing, because the content was not yet decided. The most racing will give the Competizione version.

 

It's more interesting and at the heart of the design. IMHO

 

I absolutely love this Ferrari!
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The Daytona was the first Ferrari I fell in love with as a kid. So no surprise that my first Ferrari was a 456M, which is a retro-modern take on the Daytona. The 12Cilindri is a further evolution of that. Do not understand anyone who doesn't like it. A front V12 will always be the ultimate Ferrari road car to me. But then again, I'm 67 so it's in my DNA! . Unfortunately out of my league.

 

I always thought the Daytona looked vastly better without the plexi nose, like the car in your photo. I'd say the same for the 12C.

 

On first glance the car was less inviting than its predecessor. Unfortunately the impression has not improved with time. The cars hood is excessively long and the driver is sitting virtually on the rear axle- it reminds me of the AMG SLS in that regard. The SF despite its long hood looked to many like a rear midengine car. I was asked by numerous people who didn’t know Ferraris whether it was midengine. Same for the GTS I had. The 12C has kinda lost that rear midengine supercar look and now looks like a front engine GT and the slight sag in lines just behind the front wheel wells exacerbates it. The original Daytona,which I love, doesn’t have that.
Rather than designing a new car with cues from the past Manzoni tried to make improvements on the old car design and botched it IMHO

 

How well do you guys think this 12C will age in the future? I think PF designs just age so well.

 

Life starts at 67!

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Groucho got paid extra if he painted on his mustache!

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"Can you hear?"

"I haven't heard anything yet. Did you say anything?"

"Well, I haven't said anything worth hearing.

"Well, that's why I didn't hear anything."

"Well, that's why I didn't say anything."

 

Then again Groucho drove a Sedan Deville and pitched DeSotos in commercials

 

the 12 is a failure in exterior design but an absolute success in mechanics and interior appeal. if you have ever explored the internet and seen the alternative designs by amateurs it's absolutely amazing how Ferrari got it wrong. given the opportunity would you rather have a la Ferrari or a 12, the hybrid aside 99% of you would never think twice about the 12. it's a no brainer, you can tell your self all day long the 12 is brand new but it will never be the la Ferrari.......

 

They said the same about the Daytona when it was introduced.

 

Not exactly. It was a more fundamental problem than the design; quite simply the V12 was at the WRONG END of the car. Everyone wanted a new Ferrari to compete with the amazing looking new 1966 Lamborghini Miura. Enzo Ferrari didn't think his street car customers could handle the performance of a mid-engine race car. He wasn't going to start selling a 250LM to just anyone. So the 365 GTB/4 (Daytona) introduced in 1968 would continue being sold for another SIX years.

 

No, the visual design Daytona was not universally loved as the replacement of the 275, except mechanically. Not everyone was an early adopter.

Still today some people like the Front Engine layout over mid engines, which the 12 Cilindri is the last of the breed.

 

It's never grown on me. I wouldn't say I dislike it, but I certainly don't love it. It's among my least favorite Ferrari designs, particularly from that era.

 

It evolved...

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Looks like a mash up of a Daytona and a 275 GTB. I still prefer the 275 myself.

 

I finally saw a coupe yesterday, didn't get to drive it. Pearl white on red leather with red Alcantara inserts.
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Thoughts in no particular order:

• Some cars look different in photographs than to the eye, particularly in terms of height and depth. The Temerario, for example, looks much better in person than in photos, because standing above it, you can see the overall shape and where the angles are lining up around the B pillar and fenders - it's busy like an Anniversario Countach, but the shape is cool. The 12C looks almost exactly as it is in photographs. Few surprises, honestly. Maybe I looked at a lot of photographs, but there was little unexpected to the shape and proportions.
• The nose and everything ahead of the A-pillar is the best part, the Daytona-homage black panel doesn't bother IRL as much as it seemed out of place in photos;
• The large hood has nice flowing arches not seen since the 550/575;
• One surprise: the odd, body-colored pieces on the sides of the lights (fender side) are actually winglets or intakes that look like they're supposed to let air in between that panel and the headlight, something I never noticed in photos. This looks worse, honestly, since they have a pointed corner hanging open they look like something is missing or broken. I stand by my proposal in the other threads that I would wrap this in some black PPF to match the nose stripe, for continuity of the horizontal line;
• The raised beltline on the side is sharp and a pleasant tribute to the vintage/classic Ferrari beltline, although I'm ambivalent about the venting behind the front fender with the large panel gap on top and a silver piece that continues partway, it's all a little messy;
• I like the rear fender hump and the angles at the bottom rear corner of the driver door, where the side skirt angles downward;
• The tail end looks massive. Standing behind it, I can appreciate the simplicity of the overall shape, but it looks thick and heavy. The chevron shape of the roof is a classically Bertone looking shape, of the 60s/70s Ghandini vintage, and gets points in my book for being daring in design in ways that Ferrari is usually not... but I still was not attracted to it.
• I would get aftermarket wheels. These new ones remind me of those mill machines with boots on the end as seen in cartoons, or the animation of Sonic's shoes in a circle.
• $635,000 window sticker was terrifying. This also confirms that Spiders will be pushing $700k.

I didn't ask to sit in it. At this price, and my lack of serious interest, it was not worth the hassle of asking to unlock it.

 

I think it’s beautiful and actually priced low for what it is

 

I’m your comment will be proved correct in a few years time when the depreciation has worked its magic. But as a new car, I cannot agree with this. It’s hugely overpriced. But at least that’s consistent with its size - which is also absolutely gigantic.

Overall, I find this car an exercise in contradiction. I quite like the front end, but the rear end is challenging. The haptic interior is a disgrace, and will be plain dangerous in use. The engine is a masterpiece but the noise is too muted (not Ferraris fault for the gpf). Etc etc.

 

Very interesting to hear your thoughts on the new 12 Cilindri after seeing the car live.
The rear view is the most controversial part of the design. It seems to miss the mark because it is too truncated. There is no engine back there and they tried to adapt the styling from a rear engine design to a front engine model. The concept of the design idea is very interesting but it simply doesn't flow cohesively with the 12 Cilindri. That rear design 'effect' was much more smoothly integrated on the Ferrari J50. It looks 'all of a piece' and not as something tacked on as an afterthought. I believe the same designer had a hand on both cars...

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The same design theme at the rear. Even to the black 'bits' on the rear deck. Except there is no aero function like on the 12 Cilindri design.

 

Yeah, ok.

 

I thought the 458 was ugly when it launched. Then years later I owned 4 of them. Maybe the Cindy will be the same.

 

It’s a Ferrari? Do you want it to be cheap? The one you have in your profile picture is extremely expensive

 

Good one.