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348 Wiring Diagrams

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  1. Qavion

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    Unfortunately, no clues in the pictures. Google doesn't give me any hits for CMS, Cactus, CAA-Ver3, etc.
    Looks complicated.

    Is that small module (stuck on the case) part of the alarm system?
     
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    So that sticker is on the small module and there are no identifying marks on the main one?


    Anyway, it's unlikely that these old alarm systems affect the engine management system, so I'd be focussing on the starter, coilpack and fuel pump circuits. Good luck with the fuel pumps after 20 years :p
     
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    That's all I'm worried about , the fuel pumps were replaced with new ones, the tank was cleaned, etc., the entire engine has been restored...
     
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    #31 Qavion, Mar 21, 2025
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    Could be a variation of it.

    i.e. a Getronic system, but we still need the model number. There are manuals available for some models.

    https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1043484/Getronic-Gt613.html#manual

    They seem to only affect the starter (via a grey/black wire)

    (EDIT: The turn signals may also be affected by the alarm. You may have to repair some of the turn signal wiring. i.e. either the blue or blue/black wiring going to the turn indicators.

    Lights diagram here:

    https://www.dropbox.com/t/WcfBTC9YXdCXGdf7
     
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    #33 Qavion, Mar 30, 2025
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    Assuming the yellow plug is plug D, then the two red wires (on pin 2) go to the left and right brake lights. I'm not really sure why the alarm would be hooked up to the brake lights, but the blue wire is not shown in the normal wiring diagrams, so I guess that confirms that the blue wire is part of the alarm.

    The black plastic sheath on the harness looks standard, though. If the blue wire was threaded through the normal sheathing, then it seems like a quality alarm installation. Or is that harness dedicated to the alarm?

    (EDIT: I don't see a blue wire in the alarm wiring diagram in post #31.)
     
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    Is your car fitted with a high stop light? If so, if you cut the blue wire, make sure your high stop light still works. I would cut the blue wire with enough length to re-splice it.
     
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    I followed the blue wire and it comes from here!

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    It should be ok to cut the blue wire then.
     
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    #38 Qavion, Mar 30, 2025
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    I see a lot of those (same) wire colours in your earlier picture. The alarm wiring diagram mentions "additional sensors". Perhaps the plug on the side of the alarm ECU is for additional alarm sensors.

    I guess it is ok to cut all those wires coming from the harness.

    white/yellow
    white/blue
    green/black
    violet/black
    etc
     
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    Larger gauge yellow and yellow/black may be ignition key power going to the ECUs (yellow is the right bank, yellow/black is the left bank).

    The key power wires come from relay panel plug F (pins 8 and 9). The wires go to connectors 119 and 118 and then to the ECUs.

    See the engine diagram:

    https://www.dropbox.com/t/Z0BnEMmcpjYJAQyo
     
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    Looking at the relay diagram, I'd say key power is provided on pin 30 and the two pin 87's go to the two Motronic ECUs

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    The two 87 contacts are the "normally open type".

    I'm not sure how the relay coil is wired up (pins 85/86). Is there a jumper wire between pin 30 and one of the coil wires? If so, the alarm ECU is probably providing a ground to the coil when de-immobilised.
     
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    In theory, you could just splice the pin 30 and the two pin 87 wires together. The yellow and yellow/black wires come from a common (key) source anyway.

    Can you hand draw the wiring going to the relay (with wire colours) and post a photograph of it here? Maybe I can make more sense of the circuit than I can from the photos.
     
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    Thank you very much


    Looking at the photos, you can see the F connector and the cable going to the relay.

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    I'll do that first thing tomorrow morning!
     
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    Pin 86: Yellow/white wire coming from the small alarm control unit.

    Pin 30 (2 wires):

    Thick yellow wire coming from pin 9 of the F connector

    Thin yellow wire coming from the large alarm control unit

    Pin 85 (2 brown wires): Both wires come from the large alarm control unit.

    Pin 87 (1):

    Yellow wire coming from the car control unit

    Pin 87 (2):
    Yellow/black wire also coming from the car control unit

    On the other hand, on the F connector in the pin 8, there are two wires: one blue or gray wire coming from the small alarm control unit, and another gray wire coming from the large alarm control unit.

    After this, I understand that everything needs to be removed, and the yellow wire from pin 87 should be connected to pin 8 of the F connector, and the yellow/black wire from pin 87 should be connected to pin 9 of the F connector.
     
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    Thanks for the update. Sounds promising.
     

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