Where's Preston Henn's 275/GTB/C?

The problem is, the teacher, Classiche in your analogy, hasn't even marked the work in the case of 06885, let alone given it that Little Gold Star.

 

I meet P. Henn two times, not with this car, an other. When he finish the race, he was exhausted,
Here the 275.

 

Fair and perhaps the best analogy wasn't presented in the best way. .

My point was, sometimes having that little bit of extra validation in the form of a gold star (Classiche) serves a purpose, even if some find it an unnecessary adornment when the mark (history of 06885) is so clear.

Like, if my 6yo daughter gets a 10/10 on a quiz, I know she did well and she knows she did well, but while I judge her performance solely on the mark, it's hard to deny that she doesn't derive a little extra satisfaction from the little gold star than simply the 10/10

And in case that part's not clear either, I'm agreeing with you, btw - I don't see why you wouldn't get 06885 Red Booked.

 

8445 is a nasty beast, and we love nasty beasts. Just like a 335S or 375MM. But we are dinosaurs. Who is going to buy 8445? Not us. We don't have the $. So who is? Unfortunately probably an "investor" who does not understand the passion for these cars. So Classiche is desirable as it increases the investment potential to sell to another "investor" down the road. For us dinosaurs, it's stoopid.

 

I think you mean 06885.

Marcel Massini

 

Ooops. Yes. I failed train spotting 101.

 

I believe there are long term experienced/knowledgeable Ferrari collectors, who while appreciating the current people who publicly back the car, would also want it Red Book Certified.

 

06885 is eligible for a Classiche Red Book painted yellow, besides it was Ferrari that painted it yellow. Yes, I know Ferrari repainted it back to red. I don't think it had blue seat inserts though.

 

So has 06885 actually been sold to an end user yet, been bought by a dealer who will get it Classiched and make a killing on it or still for sale by the Henn family?

 

I don’t think the Henn family has ever offered it. My understanding is that some have approached Betty directly or through representatives but havevbeen rebuffed.

By the way, after Preston sued Ferrari I don’t think there was any chance he’d subject the car to certification. Even if that hadn’t happened I don’t believe he had any interest in that.

 

See post here.

 

He seemed like a very shrewd man to me, and all who knew him I'm sure, but the fact is, whether he liked Ferrari Classiche or not, to the market as a whole, any Classic Ferrari is more desirable and worth more with a Red Book, so it's a no brainer from a business point of view.

 

Again, any factual/historical data evidence for this ^^ claim, …

?

 

"… any Classic Ferrari is ... ...worth more with a Red Book."

Why am I not surprised, again ?

 

I have to say, alot of the Ferrari experts seem to know more than Red Book. I trust what Marcel says much more than I trust them. They do not dig deep enough and are influenced by politics and money. A certain P4 comes to mind immediately.

Marcel Massini said: ↑
Zero.
Don't expect too much from a red book.

0010 last raced 2 October 1966 (Watkins Glen).

Marcel Massini

 

Red Book is important if you want invites to special Ferrari events/tours.

 

Well, one of the best events in 2024 was the FCA event at Road America, and the factory ignored it. Time to kick them to the curb until they shape up.

 

And I have no direct connection, I just care about classic Ferrari's and will call out BS when I see it.

 

What's even less surprising is your response. In spite of what the voices are telling you, it is just a petty squabble that adds nothing to the discussion(s). Please... give it a rest. Put him on ignore and spare us. Please.

 

Why would I ?
If my adding to (public) discussion by pointing out obvious flaws in someone's unsubstantiated claims bothers you this ^^ strongly, why not put me on ignore instead and be spared of the agony or the need for pleading ?

 

Good point. I will use the nuclear solution to your pettiness and your need to respond to EVERY one of Steve's posts. You think you're pointing out obvious flaws, but the reality is that you have a personal beef with Steve.

You make me kinda nostalgic for the F1 section and its "rational" discussions that point out "obvious flaws" about others OPINIONS.

 

Ignore? I went for the twofer in this thread I can barely follow the discussion

 

Yup. I didn't say when I was going to ignore...

The pettiness is over the top, but easily manageable when compared to the F1 section.

Steve is not perfect, but TTR is perfectly not perfect and is somewhat amusing and introspective in his imperfections.

It all stems from a discussion that can't be mentioned... that has many amusing introspective conclusions.

 

I had long argued that Ferrari could make far more cash if they became a lifestyle business and provided a range of products and services ala LMVH. To an extent their connections between Canossa events, Ferrari Classiche, Scuderia Ferrari, Ferrari World and so on offer this ability to cater to the whims of the wealthy and not so wealthy. Now Ferrari had some worthy ideas with Ferrari Classiche had lofty goals of making their products are in the same form they last left the factory in. Ultimately there is very little profit in telling an owner of a classic Ferrari that their car is original BUT there is lots of money in taking a car that has a OEM engine or a period rebody or whatever and replacing those "non original" items with new Ferrari replacement parts. To that end there is a profitable sideline by larger collections in renting model correct ancillaries such as wheels and other removable parts so cars can be certified, receive their certificates and then the parts are returned. Further there is plenty of money in telling the owner of a delivery milage late model post Enzo Ferrari that it is original. Ultimately Ferrari has less interest in whether car x is original and more in "ensuring it is as it left the factory gates", whatever that might mean. For #06885 that could and should remove anything Ecurie Francorchamps fitted or changed at Le Mans and NART in the four races after that. So much heritage could be lost to create a massive Ferrari Classiche bill regardless of real history. But hey the new owner could spend $10k a day on a Canossa event.......

 

Ferrari Classiche seem to have changed their rules regarding that they can only be Red Book certified how they last left the Factory. They certainly did in the case of P3/412 P #0844 that last left the Factory in period as a 330 Can Am car. See Ferrari article Back to Glory.