250 GTO (3589GT)

Another Munchausen moment would be needed to explain how special order red cloth miraculously turns into standard blue as the time passes.

 

Now, that’s quite appropriate & funny !

 

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Thanks for posting but looking for period pictures from 1962 of 3589 GT with red seats, or period pictures from 1962 with blue seats. Perhaps you were just posting the pics to share in which case please excuse this post.

 

Goodwood 1962.

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Good Day to all!

So what is it red, or blue? Just curious
Does the possibility exist that they had 2 sets of seats, not an incredible impossibility at the time?

Regards, Alberto

 

The red seats are 100% correct

however, a conscious attempt has been made to find a stick to beat a dog.....

 

So why the blue seat photos Tom? I am not arguing one bit which is correct as I leave that to the ones that know.

Me? I know nothing about most stuff.

Regards, Alberto

 

HUH?

 

Respectfully, the photographic evidence supplied seems to suggest blue seats in 1962.

Do you have similar 100% evidence that red is correct?

 

The correspondence between Ferrari and Maranello Concessionaires shows how 250 GTO 3589 GT was ordered with red seats. However, the picture of 3589 GT showing it at its first race at The Sussex Trophy, Goodwood in 1962 with blue seats shows how it actually arrived.

 

Not sure if this gto was the one discussed by them but I recall an article maybe thirty years ago by Graham Gauld mentioning that he supplied period photos of a gto to Jean Sage who was very surprised that the seats were...blue.

Sage was more or less involved with it's restoration, perhaps as an advisor.

IIRC it was a Prancing Horse article, one of his "Gauld mine" columns.

 

I own the Jean Sage archive (he passed away October 2009).
He was never involved in 3589 GT, also not as an advisor and not in a restoration.

Marcel Massini

 

Thank you Marcel,

I wonder which GTO they were discussing.

Since I was not a subscriber and that article by Graham would therefore have been in an issue in which I wrote an article and of which they sent me a copy (I did very few for them) it could be the issue with my:

2235 fantuzzi.

375mm of Chris Cox.

Mile miglia 1999 report.

A couple of others I forgot, it was 30 years ago.

 

Over the years, there are literally hundreds of Ferraris that were "ordered" one way and actually "delivered" another way.

 

And today there are Ferraris that were "delivered" one way and years later "restored" another way.

 

And that includes any & all that have ever been "restored".

 

Did 4153GT not had black seats ? Must look I think I have some period color pic of it .

 

250 GTOs even came with green seats as on #3505 GT.

 

The original upholstery fabric used in 4153 GT was black ribbed cloth. I have the receipts, as the kids say.

 

Please prove your statement. And I mean that the seats were red as delivered on 3589 new in 1962, and not that they are 100% correct because Ferrari restored 3589 in 2025 with red seats because that is not what is being debated here.

Genuinely looking forward to seeing the proof that negates the photographic evidence so far which indicates blue seats as delivered new in 1962.

Many thanks in advance.

 

Pray tell, what would constitute acceptable proof? Remember I am not well versed, so would the build sheet do?
If that is the case, I think Messr. Massini, did provide such proof in a previous post. Also Mr. Wiggers, a 'top notch' restoration expert. So what is this? Liars dice?

And, forgive me about my continuous equestrian attitude, why does it always have to be named a "reliable source", a mystery guest? Judged reliable by whom?

I think, that when you write your thesis, you ought to put a few 'footnotes' here and there, to corroborate your sources, and / or, potentially your professor emeritus, might poo poo your 'reliable source' et al. footnote.

In front of a Grand Jury, either you take the Fifth, but cannot say a 'reliable source', which after all, it may mean my pally Teddy at the corner, or at the Luna.

Is the Pope a reliable source? 100% ? The Borgia, very very distant relatives, even though in the Papacy, were not very reliable at all, and my incredibly distant relative, Lucrezia, was a rather lightfooted mare.
I have references to these extents, not from a 'reliable source', but actually, my cousin, The Duke Carlo Ruspoli of Morignano.

"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Emanuele_Ruspoli,_3rd_Duke_of_Morignano". "Retratos. Anécdotas y secretos de los linajes Borja, Téllez-Girón, Marescotti y Ruspoli" (2011).[4] ISBN 9788488833068

Interesting to see how this 'proofing' will evolve.

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i say the owner should have one red and one blue seat. its all the rage now and controversy settled.

 

Can you prove it?

 

The windscreen wipers are wrong and too long to be period correct as well. Nit-picking, yes but they do state: "Extensive research was carried out to ensure the restoration was totally period correct in every detail...."