Chris Harris, "It is unquestionably the best car they make at the moment!"

Yes because management is out of their minds. It’s an upside down tiering system of their inventory and a joke.

 

I said it in one of my earlier posts ... a lot of the "void warranty" issues are dealership specific ... If you have a very good relationship with your dealer and you don't want to do stupid mods ... you would be surprised what you can get away with.

 

I suggest the 12C is a more usable car overall.

 

I may look into it. I am generally loathe to modify my vehicles, but if I can select stealth or glorious and have the dealer’s blessing…

 

The SP3 Daytona is a GREAT car.

 

A cars warranty is with the car manufacturer NOT the dealer. If you don’t understand anything else, understand that.

When you change the exhaust on these cars you will have to reprogram the ECU as well. You’ve now changed how the car was designed to run. If you have a power train warranty issue the dealer must hook the car up to the Ferrari computer and take photos of the car and send the Ferrari.

 

The response to that is that a participating dealer will remove and reflash prior to submitting. At least that’s what I’ve been told. But that was another brand, not Ferrari.

 

Yes you can do that…. Lots of labor cost….the dealer can fool the manufacturer and I know personally a few that’s done that with Ferrari

 

If Ferrari didn't sell everything without the extra effort they would do a different 'export market' exhaust. Then bring back the real sound instead of the pale horse mascarading as passion...

 

It depends on the date that each car was launched onto the market. You can have two cars on sales concurrently that have to adhere to different standards.

 

I know that. Aston Vanquish was launched at the same time and sounds much better.

 

As you know, when everything sells effortlessly, there is no need to do... It's a different brand now... there is still no successor to the 12C in the works... it will soon be time to turn the page...

 

Many would beg to differ.

 

Better was the wrong choice of word. I mean louder. The quality of the sound is not so good but it is louder and that’s the issue in terms of regs.

 

Without a decibel meter we can't really know.

 

Depends on your use case. I have no idea what it’s use case is and, in terms of looks, I think it’s just too big and not for me - each to their own.

 

“…80% of the 812…”

 

Fake news

 

All the rage here.

 

Our spider is miles away yet so I have no experience of the Dodici Cilindri. From the video though, it seems there is a genuine choice between the Ferraris - Superfast, Competizione and Dodici Cilindri. It seems clear that the newer car drives better - brakes, ride, handling. That should be no surprise. The feral nature of the Superfast, enhanced in the Competizione, plus the, if not superior, still excellent driving dynamics the 812 possesses, give it a different personality to the Dodici Cilindri. We should hopefully end up with a Superfast and a Dodici Cilindri Spider in the garage and I think that is the right way around. Quite different cars and quite different experiences given they share the same manufacturer, format and engine type.

Listening to the drive-bys on this video, the Dodici Cilindri does not sound unacceptably quiet and sounds nicer than the Vantage. It retains Ferrari’s sonorous pitch and is still so recognisable and wonderful. If you could only have one, maybe it’s something to feel you have lost out with by choosing the Dodici Cilindri over the Superfast, but it seems clear there are also important gains. Given the price delta between the Superfast and the Dodici Cilindri, you could easily see why some would choose the older car to buy or retain. The conclusion about the Ferrari was that the presenter wasn’t certain it was enough for him to change were he in the position. This probably means the Competizione cements its place as better and more visceral than the Superfast, not as sanitised as the Dodici Cilindri. The Competizione is a wonderful car. The Dodici Cilindri leaves room for its ‘Competizione’ version to be something really rather good. Let’s hope!