Current Engine Out Costs

Make, model, year and market area would be a good place to start. My crystal ball is broken.

 

I got three quotes recently (SoCal region), all were around that figure.

 

Its pretty much 10Gs and up. Dealers in big markets will be much higher. Independents in bigger markets will be near what you were told.

In the past 2 years my overhead has taken some big hits and parts are up too. Prices will continue to climb.

 

A basic engine out done by an experienced tech is about $10k CAD here, which is about 7200 USD. This is in Vancouver area.

This doesn't include all the other "while you're in there" items. I think 15k CAD is a good budget, which is about 11k USD. That's a fairly thorough major.

My last extensive major I did on a 355 included a lot of other restorative items, including compression / leakdown testing, rebuilding of front and rear suspension bushings, steering rack boots, tie rod repairs, a/c diag and repair/recharge, faulty suspension gear servo rebuilds, some miscellaneous repair/recondition items and the total was about 28k USD. Parts costs alone were about 15k USD of that.

I would consider this above and beyond however, I basically gave the tech the go ahead to seek out and find any issues and repair them as this example is essentially a 1 of 1 and deserving of it. Did it NEED everything done? Probably not...but now it's good for another 15-20 years of enjoyment with just the regular belt service every 6-7 years or whatever your threshold is.


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Most parts have become 20 percent more expensive...

 

$12-15k

 

£2.7k including taxes at my local ferrari main dealer here in the Uk; sorry guys!!!

I did end up paying £4k total as I had the car collected, annual MOT, new rocker cover gaskets and a couple of other little odd items.

 

As these cars age there are a lot of items that need to be considered. Literally have a 24K mile example in the shop right now. 2 oil supply lines leaking, motor and gearbox mounts shot, two CV boots torn, water pump leaking. Coolant hoses original and approaching 30 years old. This is the issue with quoting for a service without seeing the car you are not getting the whole story.

 

Can anyone tell me what Ferrari's own book time is for a straight engine out cambelt service?

If you can post up a pic showing a document etc that would be great

 

Ferrari times were mostly from fantasy land. In any event they were warranty times for brand new cars with no rusty broken fasteners and no prior poorly perfored work. Also by modern standards they are not very inclusive of items that require attention. We considered them mostly a bad joke.

 

I find it hilarious valve cover gaskets are not part of the standard job. With so many cut corners no wonder its cheap.

 

Try actually reading a post before you respond for once! and if it isnt clear; just ask for clarification.

off course they are not part of a standard service! they were weeping a little so i had them replaced at the same time i had the engine out for the major service.

i dont think ferrari main dealers or the indies cut corners. but you are clearly an expert and have intimate knowledge of main dealers in the uk!

 

He's just saying that in the US the major includes the valve cover gaskets.

 

Ship it to Italy, it's even cheaper.

Bonous: all of the things that could go wrong make it an adventure.

 

So they only check cam timing if you ask for it?

 

I appreciate all your replies, guys, and I fully understand what you mean about the reality, extras etc, however, that is not what I'm after.

I've had someone who claims to be an authority tell me that a cambelt change is an 8-hour job....mmmm...really???!!!! LOL

This is why I want to know if there is anything published anywhere that tells you what Ferrari themselves say is the official book time for a cambelt change, which I always assumed was in the region of 40 hours etc. I'd like them to see for themselves that what they are saying is nonsense, so they don't keep repeating it.

Just to reiterate I'm not looking for an engine in vs out debate, etc - I just want to know if Ferrari has ever published how long it should take

 

Had a recent conversation with my indie for the 348 / 208 GT4 .
My indie in N Yorkshire ( U.K. ) always factors in cam cover gasket replacement with a cam belt engine out on a 348/ 355 .
He say s even if they are not leaking to assist timing it , plus they all end up weeping anyhow so pointless not to do them while it’s out as it’s less time consuming that doing them with the engine in situ .

Not sure what his estimate his but the gaskets are in that .

As replacing the cam cover gaskets as a separate stand alone thing engine situ he says it’s a phaff having to removes so much stuff while the engines in place , far trickier …..it’s maybe quicker to drop it anyhow .

So really to prevent comparing “ apples and pears “ we need a figure cost wise for a engine drop , cam belt , it’s tensioner and the two cam cover gaskets + ancillary belts .
In with a gen service of Oil - filter + air filter + brake / clutch flush , fresh coolant etc .

As far as an 8 hr job ? Yes I can see a experienced tech dropping a 348 motor and changing the belt , refitting + all the fluids in 8 hrs .Then adding cam gasket time + anything else that needs doing , factoring in if any additional parts need ordering maybe overnight del the car stuck on the lift for 2-4 days ?

So you are looking at the car hogging a lift for the best part of week ( 5 days ) . Obviously the techs will have in between jobs on other cars while waiting for additional parts

That lift had to earn money .
I think it’s this that makes getting a definite answer so difficult.

 

That's just a "lock-and-swap". They will say if the timing was good before, it will be fine after, too. OK for a timing belt on a Honda, not really OK for a Ferrari.

I've seen how even a very experienced tech can spend a couple of hours getting the timing spot-on with a 355 that was running well. I think it matters.