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  1. of2worlds

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    Here is Bianco Tartan where the metallic is not nearly as subtle compared to Bianco Italia. The first is a bright white and the second color is a blue white.
    I should note that Bianco Fuji was more creamy white in the past; I called it a 'frosted white' but Ferrari changed the color to more of a pure white shade in later years.
    Ferrari often changes colors, for example Blu TdF is now a lighter shade called Blu TdF 70.
    Even Rosso Corsa was changed circa 2007. Rosso F1 2007 was another color changed in later years to.

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    Bianco Tartan which when viewed from a distance looks like a bright white. However not as extreme as the non-metallic Bianco King.
     
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  2. Dseig001

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    This is REALLY helpful! I don’t know how many chances I will get to spec a car like this and these kind of posts make it fun
     
  3. pninja005

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    I also strongly believe that the VS will be available quite quickly below MSRP but it won't be like you specced it.
     
  4. Enzo Belair

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    Not so sure, name one special edition car that is below sticker now? Pista Spiders are now listed at $800,000 to1M in the US. The only version that is a bit close to sticker, and only super high mile versions are 430 Scuderia's.


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  5. pninja005

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    I agree, but that is today's market. The regular 355, 430, 458, 488, ... are also much higher now than a couple of years ago as well.

    All these cars were available below MSRP shortly after they were released and for quite some time.

    Note I'm in Europe so maybe different pricing in the US?
     
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  6. Dseig001

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    the 296 market is very different between Europe and North America.

    I wouldn’t say they’re doing great or anything, they just seem to be doing better on thisnside
     
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  7. Cocoloco

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    I had Bianco Onda then changed to Cervino - Onda was 46k another 10%.
    I wanted more of a clean contrast - Onda is super nice but wanted something more race aggressive. Leclerc did Onda Opaco 46k, more aggressive look in Opaco
     
  8. REALZEUS

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    You mean even heavier than a hybrid Ferrari? This seems to me like nagging for nagging's sake...
     
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  9. jo_ker

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    Do we know if the 296 Speciale standard Multimatic dampers are now active (bumpy road button)?
    AND are ok / the same version even if we choose the front axle lift?

    I hope they chanced this: To have the active damper and lift - also in combination with the most competitive dampers.
    Compared where this was NOT able at the SF90XX or AF 296 package..
     
  10. day355

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    It's always funny to see the billing prices for paintings when you know the real numbers...
     
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  11. Caeruleus11

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    The CS has had a move in recent times, but I doubt it also moves up into the territory the 458 Speciale now occupies. About 8-12 months after they released the 458 Speciale, at least in the US, allocations were easy to come by, some cars were available at a small discount… does this sound familiar? If you could go back in time and buy a 458 Speciale, and then come forward to today, would you? I would. I think there are good odds youll see the same thing here. Yes, they will make enough of these that you wouldnt be blamed for thinking they are everywhere. But, the 296 is a great driving car. The Speciale will be that much better, more limited than the regular model, great looking, all the things you want in a VS, I think over time it will do pretty well; but this is just my own speculation. Why don’t the Scud and CS move up more? I think there is a break in the market between the DCT cars and the rest. For many reasons, not just the transmission, the DCT cars are just better cars overall, even if they dont get much use, they are nicer places to be when they do get driven. Just my opinion.
     
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  12. Andreas4000

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    Do you think the VS needs to get stripes? I would actually prefer the cleaner look without stripes but I am not sure if that is a mistake in terms of resale value.
     
  13. Jo Sta7

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    Won't make much of a difference. Why would you spec a car you don't like as much for resale? If the car, as a whole, tanks, stripes or no stripes won't save it. OTOH, if it holds or does well, the difference will also be negligible. I think on the 458 Speciale and Pista stripes were more important because the base cars didn't have them and the overall design really called for them. So many regular 296's have stripes that it doesn't mean anything for the Speciale. It's personal preference at that point.
     
  14. Jo Sta7

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    I can't even imagine. It's freaking paint. Probably 90% profit.
     
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  15. Andreas4000

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    Good point regarding the lack of differentiation to the regular 296 - thanks!
     
  16. Jo Sta7

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    I agree with this. For many, hope of spec'ing one will be gone and they'll get a call in 12 months. Or they'll be available at a small discount. For my eye, the 296 Speciale is very well done. It added aggression to the base car without losing most of the beauty. I don't think it will be a major departure in dynamics from the base car and for the money, a base used 296 AF with carbon wheels is the way to go as the AF package with carbon wheels commands virtually no premium in the secondary despite being very expensive from factory. But for the extra "special" that comes with the VS of these cars, this should be amazing.
     
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  17. vivg91

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    I have a feeling that the Scud will move up over time. It just looks and sounds too good, and it's a properly raw modern-ish Ferrari in an era where those are starting to disappear. The gearbox is the last (and theoretically best) of the single clutch paddles, it hasn't held the Enzo back too much.

    VS cars, in general, are special enough and limited enough that they'll generally go up over a medium-to-long time scale. 296 is no exception, regardless of what short term fluctuation happens.

    People are way too concerned about 296 valuations right now, it's a sensitive topic but Speciale is going to be a great car regardless.
     
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  18. skyuro

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    I am about to spec my VS Coupe. I've been pondering the same question. I actually don't like the way stripes look on 296 (whereas stripes look better to me on 458 and 488), so I probably won't put stripes on. Stripes will cost $20K+? I don't think the resale value of striped VS will be better than non-striped VS by that much.
     
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  19. NGooding

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    This logic makes sense to me - matches my thinking. The fact that allocations on the 458 Speciale were attainable (I didn't know that) makes me that much more confident.

    The wild cards are that the 458 was the last of its kind (NA V8), hybrid anxiety (antipathy?), and the higher starting price.

    I think it's very possible that 296 Speciale prices eventually shake out to be lower than 458 Speciale prices. But it's hard for me to imagine them performing poorly. If I can get one, drive it, and get out without taking a bath, that seems like a great proposition to me. And I think that's a very good bet.
     
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  20. NGooding

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    I think I agree, but who knows? Do what you like.
     
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  21. St.R

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    Fortunately, a Ferrari finally won without the horrible hypercar club livery. It's sad to see people choose a livery just because it's rare, even though it's pretty ugly.
     
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  22. Kmaaq

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    Slow news day huh. I'm eager to see more specs and non press release pics/vids.
     
  23. Caeruleus11

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    Get it the way you want it. If that means the stripes or some other costly option, then, so be it. Or if it means without because you like it better, then thats ok too- what matters is you are happy. These are things that make us happy, so that is really the critical test.
     
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  24. Thecadster

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    Don’t you think for 3X the money Ferrari could save significant weight over the ZR1? I was referring more to the engine, which is glorious and an absolute tour de force technical achievement.
     
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  25. Foxmod

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    In other news.... has anyone else noticed the stripes are now on the configurator..... they just don't work very well....
     

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