The Hamilton at FERRARI Era

Lewis' stats tell it all. About his past glories, and about his present struggles. Hunger for success is a great motivator. Ego trying to prove you are as good as your younger self, is a ticket to the has-been home. Boxing, tennis, auto racing, young women, the bottom line is that you can't be what your aren't, what your were. Lewis was fantasizing that the switch to Ferrari would provide the magic elixer. And Ferrari was hoping Lewis would be the same for them. What it proved is that both are past their primes. Lewis should take up fishing. Ferrari should sell the racing operation and focus on selling road cars.

 

Well, I guess it makes for a good storyline, but I very much doubt either of these statements is true.

 

Not true. If he disgraces himself for 2-3 seasons in a row at Ferrari as he has done thus far this year, all the while whining like Meghan Markle after discovering a split end, that will be what most fans (not sycophants) remember. The racer who didn't know when to quit. Happens to musicians and athletes all the time...

I can barely imagine him returning next season at the current rate, certainly not for a 3rd on ANY team....

 

Unlike Lulu, The Scuderia can be reborn. Lulu's done.

 

Lets face ir, crapilton is a fraud, exposed by George and Charles.....i am not at all suprised for the trashing Charles has been giving him, the diference in talent between them has been clear from 2019.

 

They've had since 2008 to do it...and they haven't. Under all the rules changes since then, they have lost their natural ability to compete.

 

No matter what ideas LH had the car is not a winning car so neither driver is about to win a title in it. The inside garage battle was never predicted to be LH over Charles - by anyone with 2 working synapses lol. So all the needless anti LH bluster here is a joke and wasted. The car is the issue not either driver.

 

+1

George stepping into Ham's car for the first time was revealing. "like a magic carpet" was an honest statement from George
Shame Mercedes screwed up his pitstop and cost George his first victory.

Victory would have been embarrasing for Ham

 

Agree. Unfortunately many Ferrari fans only care about a team mate battle. Not winning. The fans have had a losing mindset for so long, they get joy from watching team mates. Sir Lewis Hamilton has winning mindset, producing a team that can win. Nothing less when you've achieved what he has. He may not be at a level he was years ago but at least this is the first and foremost goal/focus. I personally believe he finds no joy in just beating his team mate if the team is not at a winning stage anyway.

 

Even though the team or car sucks, a winning or multi-WDC title holder's attitude/character ultimate goal is to beat your teammate.

You're right, Hamilton isn't the same of what he used to be i.e. he doesn't have the fastest car anymore after the MercedesAMGF1 domination.....so his attitude/character in trying to beat his team-mates has diminished....so why put forth the effort. This is what happens to most F1 drivers, especially multi-WDC title holders, when they reach their 40's.....and it gets worse for most as they get older and stay in F1.

 

Lewis is a winner, but Ferrari is not in a position to get him wins on the track
I believe he is on board more for his ability to generate revenue
Take for example this video from Ferrari where he and Charles get to play with an F80 on track, both wearing their RMs and at one point having the car parked under an RM sign

 

Exactly. First thing you get judged on is to see how you do against your teammate. Always been the case. It's the most equal way to measure drivers when only 2 cars are alike.

People can say that suddenly it doesn't matter anymore because of past results, but it absolutely does. It did for Michael, it did for Vettel, it does for anyone, at any time.

10 - 0 is a terrible look no matter how you look at it and just how many past wins and titles one tries to even the score with.

 

Maybe the FIA will introduce some type of team mate challenge/award? Some here will like that, as cheezy as it sounds.

 

Cheezy?.....that's every F1 drivers goal since the history of F1.......at least the ones that have won a WDC title(s). This is an old mantra or behavior in F1.

It may not fit your ideology of F1 but to most here on F1 Chat, it fits their ideology.

 

If it works for you fine. Not me. I prefer the great history of F1, awards/trophies, accolades were reserved for winners.

 

Well, sometimes the WDC title(s) holders don't have the dominant car, so they have to beat their team-mates or the teammate beats them in like-for-like DNF's. Most WDC title holders decline in their late 30's and early 40's as this is the life cycle of an F1 driver with WDC title(s).

 

@ktu

Calling an F1 teammates ideology(beating your team-mate) "cheezy" since the birth of F1 is quite daunting of you to say. You have no idea of what it is to constantly and consistently beat your teammate. You probably frown upon competition from one another. I have seen this(frowning upon competition) in the world today and don't want to get into P&R. To me, it's the wussi-fication of competition. Leclerc, for the time being, has this ideology as well as many others because that's how you survive in F1(unless your Lance Stroll) and from the F1 journo's....it's shark infested waters in the public media.

You see the same mindset(beating your opponent) in other parts of occupations and sports.

 

Winning is above anything. I don't see real Ferrari fans here reminiscing on team mate out comes. All I hear is "Ferrari hasn't won a title since 2007". Don't be alarmed if Sir Lewis Hamilton fans are not interested in team mate battles when the standard has been winning.

 

So they are just paying him to be a glorified spokesmodel now? Maybe they can pay the FIA to get him a win? That’s about the only way it will happen at this point.

If anything hiring Lewis has only damaged Ferraris reputation at this point. All one has to do is read the comments online to see it’s backfired. All the delusional Lewis fans are now convinced that Ferrari is sabotaging their Messiah. They get nonstop hate so I’m not so sure that’s good for revenue. It certainly isn’t a good look IMO

Ferrari should cut their losses as it only going to get worse. They look like a bunch of over paid clowns.

 

Clearly someone here hasn't been paying attention to the forum when Massa, Kimi, Vettel, Sainz were doing poorly.

Something about wool and eyes.

 

You know exactly what people here mean when they mention beating a team mate. You’re just spinning it to fit your narrative because your idol is getting absolutely humiliated and tarnishing his reputation.

You should try being honest for once and just admit that it’s troubling to see a seven time champion come to grips with his age and declining abilities. He needs to accept reality and retire, he’s accomplished enough.

Hell I don’t even like the guy and I almost feel sorry for him. Almost!

 

Of course it is ("Winning is above everything").....but guess what?.....Not everyone wins.

Take note:

1) Piastri is demolishing Norris for the time being.
2) Max......need I say more.
3) Russell is currently beating a rookie but he's just a rookie and hanging in there.
4) Hadjar is making mince meat out of Lawson.
5) Lelclerc is beating Hamilton just like Leclerc beat Vettel.
6) Alonso will eventually come around and beat Stroll....for the 3rd year in a row. Alonso is 6pts away from Stroll currently.
7) Albon is also demolishing Sainz.


Even though most of these guys aren't winning, most of us here are keenly looking at the team-mate battles.

 

If they were

I never said you guys shouldn't to be entertained by it. Knock yourself out if you get enjoyment watching team mates.

 

In motor racing, there are always races inside the race, between team mates,and between teams.
For the discerning observer, there is often more action in mid-field than at the front.

 

Spin baby spin!!!

What’s really entertaining is watching him getting mentally and physically owned every time he gets in the car now. Especially by Charles. Even to the point of crying

I can understand how for many it brings to question if it really was more his car than him in the past.