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  1. jpalmito

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    Frankly they would be absolutely stupid to do that..
     
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  2. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

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    The issue of stupidity has never stopped them LOL. Ever!!
     
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    “Was”….


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    Never underestimate Ferrari's ability to outstupid itself.
     
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    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Lift and Coast lol! Who designed this 'race' car lol :)

    The lift and coast problem Ferrari needs F1 upgrades to fix
    https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/lift-and-coast-problem-ferrari-needs-f1-upgrades-to-fix/

    Ferrari is being hampered by a lift and coast issue it's hoping imminent upgrades will fix - as Rosario Giuliana explains


    One of the SF-25’s most punishing limitations became particularly evident between the Barcelona and Montreal weekend: the forced use of lift and coast during the race. This technique, which involves lifting off the throttle early before braking to save fuel or cool the hybrid system, compromised the car’s effectiveness in key race moments.

    The problem becomes even more pronounced when the car is theoretically in ideal conditions to perform — such as in qualifying or the final laps of a race with a light fuel load — but is unable to unleash its full potential due to the need to conserve energy or manage critical temperatures.

    In Spain, for example, Leclerc was specifically asked to lift off the throttle in order to preserve skid-block wear — a major issue Ferrari has faced since the start of the season, which even led to a disqualification in China. In Canada, on the other hand, the frequent lift-and-coast requests were linked to brake preservation, which struggled due to an overly aggressive set-up on a track that’s notoriously tough on brake temperatures.

     
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    Direct technology transfer from road cars to F1 :D
    When testing the sF90 on the Varano track, that's exactly what I was advised to do by the Ferrari instructor (lift and coast before braking, instead of switching directly from accelerator to brakes)...
     
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    Ferrari to test the NEW rear suspension at Mugello during filming day PRIOR to introducing at Spa. It is during this filming day of whether to bring this new rear suspension to Spa.
     
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    The Race.com looks at Ferrari's Brit GP issues:

    Ferrari nowhere - 'really nowhere'
    Charles Leclerc was left in almost disbelief about how his British Grand Prix had gone off the rails after joining Russell as one of the early stoppers for slicks.

    A lack of pace, some off-track moments (which included a spin caused by some water getting inside his helmet) and some do-or-die moves were only enough to get him up to 14th in the end.

    “We were kind of nowhere the whole race,” he told the media straight after. “And when I say nowhere, it’s like really nowhere. I was one second off, and like on top of that, I was doing lots of mistakes.

    “I was really struggling to keep the car on track. So it was an incredibly difficult day.”

    Team-mate Lewis Hamilton did not have a much better time after struggling with the balance – and a car that proved too snappy in wet conditions.

    Afterwards he said: “It’s the most difficult car I've driven here

    “It's only my second time driving in the wet in this car. I can't even express to you how hard it is; it's not a car that likes those conditions.”
    Beyond Leclerc’s race being killed off by the early switch to slicks, Ferrari’s hopes were not helped by a simple lack of pace – proven by the fact that Hamilton could not get on terms with Hulkenberg late on and had to settle for fourth behind the Sauber.

    The trigger for this, off the back of what had been Ferrari's most encouraging Friday, was a combination of wing levels and set-up choices.

    The team had pitched its downforce level somewhere between McLaren and Red Bull – which was not only suboptimal for the wet conditions but also left it struggling when trying to race other cars.

    Another element that seems to have hurt it is the fact that the radical set-up that Leclerc has used to overcome some of the SF-25’s weaknesses might work in the dry – but it is a nightmare in the wet with a loose rear hard to tame.

    “I went quite extreme with the set-up on my car for the last few races, and it paid off in the dry,” he said. “However, in the conditions we saw here today, it didn’t seem to work as well.”

    If it was bad for Leclerc, who feels more comfortable with an oversteery car, you can suspect it was even worse for Hamilton who has never liked it when things get too snappy.
     
  11. DF1

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    Steering 'feel' is personal to each driver. This is interesting assessment: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/explained-the-problem-that-is-affecting-ferrari-at-high-speed-tracks-in-f1-2025/10740571/

    The problem that is affecting Ferrari at high-speed tracks in F1 2025

    Is a power steering issue on Ferrari's 2025 F1 car holding Charles Leclerc and Lewis Hamilton back?


    So, what's behind Ferrari's curious limitation? Autosport understands the problem is related to the power steering system. Power steering reduces the effort needed to turn the steering wheel, especially during high-speed cornering where g-force is high.

    At times when the drivers try to squeeze everything they can out of the car, that feeling becomes crucial, and even the slightest issue can make a difference to a driver's confidence in the car and the smoothness of their inputs, which will obviously hurt lap times too.

    So, while Leclerc was reluctant to provide information, his clear description of exactly when the problem manifests itself correlates with the explanation Autosport has found, with it making his life difficult right when he is forced to push to the edge. It also explains why the limitation emerges only on certain tracks, such as Silverstone with the challenging Maggots-Becketts combination or on the high-speed Suzuka circuit.
    While not giving details about the anomaly, Leclerc did say the problem was at least solvable on the short to mid-term. "
     
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    Every week it's another excuse.
     
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    The upgrades hopefully fix!
     
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    Only for new ''mystery issue'' to pop up every week
     
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    Let’s remember that at the end of last season they had a very competitive car. The Scuderia intentionally abandoned a winning car rather than developing it.
     
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    Ferrari F1 filming day at Mugello offers rear suspension test chance
    Lewis Hamilton and Charles Leclerc will both be behind the wheel for Ferrari’s second filming day of the 2025 F1 season at Mugello on Wednesday, where the team will run its new rear suspension for the first time ahead of the Belgian Grand Prix
     
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    I'm not sure it is excuses as much as it is trying to isolate and subsequently solve the problems. The issue being there are clearly several problem areas.

    I think it turns into excuses, though, when these discussions are had in the media. They need to keep things in house.
     
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    It's tiring to read it. Pretty much after every GP so far we're hearing ''the issue holding back Ferrari" "breakthrough found at Ferrari" and any variation of that.
     
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    Mercedes and RedBull literally have the same press release issues with notes on problems as Ferrari. All 3 are basically lost and out of real improvements to provide due to budget cap and 2026 car priority. They should just admit this and stop talking about the current cars.
     
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    I didn't say their press releases aren't equally tiring.
     
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    Be strong. A win is coming..........someday lol :)

    Ferrari’s first win of 2025 is coming, says Palmer

    Ferrari’s quest for a Grand Prix win in the 2025 F1 season has received a confident endorsement from former driver and F1 TV commentator Jolyon Palmer.
     
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    If Jolyon says so, it must be true!!!

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