Ferrari F80

in less than 10 years Enzo was beaten by 458 so soon or later you will get F80 killer for resonable price

 

I’m fully aware of it but please remember, your reality isn’t necessarily the reality. In fact, I’d bet the opposite is true. CH, being a man of principles wouldn't have it any other way, I bet he was let back in on his own terms. In his podcast, he’s still critical of Ferrari, he even called the SF90XX the ugliest Ferrari ever made in the F80 video, or something along those lines.

One thing that can’t be faked is body language and I happen to be pretty good at reading it, I use it in my business quite often. Go back and watch his reactions during certain moments in the video, those are genuine, watch him turn around and look at the car. You can’t convincingly fake instinctual, in-the-moment responses unless you believe CH had CIA level training in emotional control just so he can fool everyone with this video.

That said, people are also allowed to change their minds or shift opinions when they get to interact with something hands on, don't you think so? most people hate the F80 but have never seen it IRL and we all know none of us outside the press has been behind the wheel.

You, on the other hand, maintain this constant, doomsday-level negativity. I know you’ll probably take this as a jab, but I genuinely hope I’m wrong and that this is just your online persona. If not, it honestly makes me a bit sad for you and for anyone who goes through life with that kind of lens. Life is beautiful, but many rob themselves of its joy by choosing not to experience it with a more open and positive mindset.

Anyway my friend, I will let you be, need to jump on am international flight in two hours and haven't packed yet LOL all the best to you.

 

The cream of automotive journalists tested the F80 on the Misano track and on the roads surrounding the Italian city of the same name, and from what I read and saw there is an unanimous verdict that the car is a technological marvel and fantastic on both the track and the road. Top Gear even posed the potentially embarrassing question, "And the noise?" and T.G.'s answer was clear, "It's superb," before adding, "The F80 is extremely quiet on the outside, but when you're strapped into the red-trimmed driver's seat, there's a hard-edged V6 howl that sounds every bit as wild as nearly 300 bhp-per-liter suggests."
One might find the F80's lines and aesthetics unappealing, and might even rate its sound differently than Top Gear did. However, the feedback and verdicts from all these automotive gurus and personalities who tested the car are inescapable and impossible to ignore.

 

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Seems quite funny to hear those who have been negative about the F80 simply from its photographic appearance and a drive by at Finali Mondial, plus knowledge of its specification, trying to justify why respected journalists (and let’s agree, Ferrari managed to get the best guys) who loved the car either said what they didn’t really believe or didn’t know what they were talking about!

Some here who dislike the F80 are reasonable in their comments but for some, the exercise seems to be to find a way to justify criticism of the car - in other words decide the conclusion before the argument.

I’ll admit, I felt hopeful for the reviews based on how well Ferrari sorted the SF90 and XX, plus the fact that they have taken a long time to develop this car (mules have been around for many years now). But, of course, I didn’t know that they would be so positive.

What clearly kills the argument that these journalists were being overly kind for fear of Ferrari was the similarity about unusual elements of the car to be complimented. For example the steering, not normally a Ferrari strong point. Most Ferraris have faithful, fast and light steering. Good to manage the power and quickly and accurately place the car and make adjustments for oversteer. But the F80 seems to have something else. The feeling at the wheel seems to be a clear level above what was expected. Also the brakes, it seems that the ABS doesn’t work using traditional sensing but instead a new method (which I didn’t hear fully described, maybe someone else did?) The conclusion being that this was a very good thing. The suspension, rather than being devoid of feel (a criticism levelled at the early McLaren anti-rollbar-less and flat riding suspensions) seems to avail the F80 of unnatural levels of composure and suppleness, despite the huge aero. Anyone who has experienced other high-aero cars like the 992 GT3 RS and even the Senna, knows that high downforce means hard suspension (otherwise the downforce exercises the suspension too hard). The multimatic application here seems to be done beautifully. These are all major driving interfaces, using new ideas and technology, to create an amazing driving experience both on track and road.

The car sounds amazing from inside the cockpit, and even if it proved to be quieter outside, I’m not going to object to that, particularly if an owner intends to drive it. The aero, made possible by the V6 engine, itself an absolute masterpiece and ground-breaking, sets this car apart when mated to the suspension system. As Raffaele de Simone said, this is no longer about more power, it’s about something else. Speed. And being able to deploy it well, comparatively safely and with great feel in the car for the driver. Because of how aero works, I’m not sure the old rules will apply, that a few years later a standard, later-model car will get around the track at the same pace. Or at least it should take longer. The engineering required to deliver the downforce means high cost, commitment to a narrow cabin and design ideas that a more regular car will struggle with because they have to accommodate humans. You can add power and improve tyres (as with hyper cars in the past), but you cannot alter the fact that air has a physical dimension and requirement to it that conflicts with packaging. And the quantity of aero downforce he F80 possesses will not be seen in a normal, wing-less car for a long, long time.

The F80 looks to be an absolute masterpiece and a definitive 2020’s statement about what a hypercar should be. It’s not a hypertrackcar like Valkyrie, it is actually a car. Able to be used without earphones, where people who have accumulated the ability and desire to acquire it can actually fit in it! It looks incredible, especially with that wing elevated. From the rear, wing high, under load, it looks like every little boy’s idea of power, aggression and automotive wonderful-ness. Without diminishing other cars, which all have their place, I don’t think anybody else could have built this car and to this standard. Looks like they have absolutely excelled here. Congratulations to Ferrari.

 

At least, as I was saying yesterday to a friend present here, you can't blame me for a certain consistency ! In fact, it's much simpler than that; the very essence of Ferrari is to generate emotion, much more than totally unusable performance on open roads, but that's not the issue, all the competition being on the same path... The F80 is a perfect car designed by engineers... the best in the world, even, who work day and night for a low financial reward considering their talent. The design doesn't bother me much either... In reality, what bothers me is the "definition" of the concept, namely, that of a car without emotion, because of its engine and its lack of nobility, the absence of sound... it condemns it to a certain coldness compared to its predecessors. I'm not averse to novelty, and I remain a huge fan of the Valkyrie and the T50/33, but I don't like cold cars, which compensate the absence of emotion due to an abundance of performances only. Because in that case, you might as well buy a McLaren ...
Ferrari could have easily made a Valkyrie that was less demanding to drive, and everyone would have applauded! This was not done for reasons of development cost and for ideological reasons, as the V12 has become undesirable... Therefore, you will allow us the right to think of this as being as respectable as the attraction you have for the car.
Otherwise for the suitcases, don't forget to take the leather cuoio Schedoni and if you come to Monaco this summer, come have a drink..

 

And in these pictures you can see the F80 can even defy gravity!

 

Testing one, two, three...

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Steve is my favourite journalist…incredible driver, also a very nice man

 

Why do you link the ability to drive a car with the ability to buy it? This is like saying wealthy people cant drive and it is absolute nonsense. People who can afford to buy this car are no different to people who can’t afford it. The vast majority of car buyers of any price lack the driving skill to extract the full potential of a high performance car. This is normal. How many of the people who buy an Alpine A110 or a 911 GT3 RS can drive them properly?
I have actually met many people who can afford to buy these cars and have huge experience in competitive driving and in many cases have won races.

Perhaps a more accurate statement would be that most of these cars will never see the track, precisely because they cost so much. But that is again normal…

 

I've been a high performance driving/race instructor for 30+ years and for the most part (not always) there is a directly inversely proportional relationship between cost of car and driving skill. In other words the higher the cost/performance, the lesser the driving skill.

But thanks for your input.

 

I love everything about the F8, even the V6.

The only thing that bothers me about the F8 is the styling.

It's function over form. Ferraris have always been more form over function (than vice versa).

Function over form has always been the modus operandi of the guys at Stuttgart, not Maranello.

 

ummm, I believe the F8 has a V8. ............. yeah, I know u know ...........

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LOL.

I meant the F80.

I know you know, cuz, you know, it's the F80 thread.

 

isn’t it possible that for some, emotion stems from performance and not the number of cylinders? As for sound, the car sounds pretty damn good on the inside, and isn’t that more important than what it sounds like to those watching you drive by? Is emotion strictly tied to history? Or couldn’t you say that part of the Ferrari mystique and excellence are the men and women who use all of the technology at their disposal to create something unique that is far greater than the sum of it’s parts? In every era, Ferrari has managed to create a hypercar that moves the bar quite a bit … but this is somehow different because it doesn’t sound the same? Watching both Chris Harris and Ben Collins … they both seemed rather emotional to me.

 

The performance is completely unusable... It's more a matter of ego, but it's part of the game; next time, the clients will ask for 1500 hp...

Sound is one of the main generators of emotion, it is an orchestra.

 

I will take mine to track for sure

I am so relieved to know that I can slide with ESC off. Unlike SF90, they finally got it right with front vectoring so now one can drive and slide the car with everything off.

Come to think of it, it is super impressive that with so many systems at work, car is super valanced and also, with so many systems in place but we can switch everything off and car still behaves natural to driver input dynamically.

 

This. 1000% agree.

 

According to Enzo's mission statement, Ferraris are first and foremost about performance. Performance is quantifiable, emotions are not. What makes you emotional does not necessarily make another person feel the same way.

Do you honestly assosiate emotions only with sound? Because tt is pretty loud on the inside. Regarding nobility, they are peasants, please find the magnanimity to excuse them your Highness... LOL!!!

Are you postulating that all these journalists who were gobsmacked and nigh on ecstatic with the F80 did not experience high emotions? Because they seemed pretty emotional to me...

The did that in 2013 with the LaFerrari, long before the Valkyrie was conceived. You seem to like repetition. People would have applauded if it had the same level of performance, but the F80's towering performance is enabled by the V6 which allows for extreme aero to be applied without usability compromises (unlike the Valkyrie). I too would have liked a new V12, but the V6 is an engineering marvel and it continues the fine Ferrari tradition of technological transfer from the track to the road. I can only imagine how you would have reaxted when FErrari introduced a lowly V8 for their first supercar (the 288 GTO)...

Which one? The fundamentally flawed 911 with the engine in the wrong place?

 

Or perhaps the passenger seats in the wrong place?

 

Indeed the rear passenger seats of the 911 are in the place that the engine should have been in...

 

from my experience I’d say the majority of gt3 rs drivers, Porsche gt owners generally seem to be keen / experienced on track, not sure what it’s like in America but certainly in Europe

 

A recent cutaway of the F80.


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Oh really, you can't identify the emotion that a car gives you??? It’s actually simple, ...as for performance, when it becomes unusable and ridiculous (it’s like putting 10 women in your bed for just one night...) on an open road, you have to focus on something else like the drastic weight reduction for example (which is made impossible by hybridization...). Although less usable, considering the few kilometers that these cars will travel, I maintain that the concept of the Valkyrie is better, and that it is a much better car on the whole ! it s my opinion.

 

Well stated.