Ferrari F80

He made that statement regarding SF90. No such comment about F80.

 

The Valkyrie is borderline unusable as a road car, and borderline might be too kind. I'm not in the market for any of them but I was really pumped for the Valkyrie until I saw how bad as a road car it was. No way I'm taking that out on a Sunday morning for a drive. That's a track car. And if I were buying a track car I'd get a real one (and might as well be the Valkyrie amr pro in that case).

 

The valk is a special occasion car and tbh look at how little mileage all the Ferrari hypercars do during their life

Where Ferrari have massively won here is by making a car that’s faster than a valk on track whilst still usable which considering the absolutely insanely meticulous attention to detail on the valks engineering is something special imo

 

Looks amazing in this picture!

 

Try to quantify emotions please. Give me a scale. Does an F40 give "5 emotions", whereas an F50 6? It is simply to me, it has to do with the speed and the G-forces that hit you left and right.

Obviously you have the right to your opinion. What if the F80 proves to be quicker around a track and more usable on the road too? Will you be singing the same tune?

 

We all derive enjoyment from these cars in different ways and for different reasons. I'm just massively disappointed the F80 doesn't inspire me to aspire to one. And no, I don't "hate" the car or those who like it. Rather, I hate that Ferrari now builds a halo car that I don't want or like. That's a first. But to each his own. Carry on.

 

Nothing to do with G-force; a simple 296 is already very high at this level! I'm talking about the sound, you know that music that varies in depth, subtlety, and intensity, as "Karajan" said about a Ferrari... then this feeling of lightness when it corners and settles on its supports, then the feeling of having a noble engine that you admire when you open the engine hood, which works on natural aspiration... for the rest, ask Gordon Murray, since those who prioritize emotion have queued up to get one... they don’t sell outrageous G-forces, but emotion !

Usable on the road.. let's be serious who utilizes the potential of these cars to more than 20% on the road ? Neither of them is meant to cover miles, as they are used very little... and in this case, I prefer to start a V12 Cosworth for those few kilometers traveled, and feel the hairs stand up with every slight acceleration...

 

Tolerable as it's connected to a V12. But prefer the two non-electrified V12 cars in photo.

 

Lets not forget that there are multiple options for those who are looking for specific elements in a car, and Ferrari seams to answer most of them. If you want a front engine V12 that is raw, you can opt for an 812 Comp. If you desire an exotic mid engine with butterfly doors, normally sperated V12 you have the SP3. If you are looking for a track only V12 with massive presence, sound and performance there is the FXXK EVO.

After following this thread one throughline is extremely apparent, individuals want individuality that speaks to them, and as far as I can tell, Ferrari has an answer to the plethora of desires expressed in this thread. Options are nice.

Like I said don't hate the F80 for what it was never meant to be, I think it is exactly the car it was meant to be.

Hard to have one car that answers everyone's wants and desires, one size will never fit all. Lets not expect the F80 to be that one size.

 

From the reviews thus far, I think what really sets the F80 apart from other hypercars like the Valkyrie or AMG One, is how usable the F80 is as a "regular" road car.

If nothing else, Ferrari needs to be commended for that.

As much as the F80 is home on the track, it is equally comfortable (literally and figuratively) on most public roads outside of a British B road.

 

You come across more like an audiophile than a petrolhead.

Newer and much heavier cars have much better body control than older and lighter ones. The advent of technology is inexorable. One of the most disappointing cars for me was the lightweight Elise.

Engines are supposed to provide propulsion, your Highness... We will have this discussion at the Privy Council. about which engine we should propose for a Knighthood. We should clearly establish an order of Nobility here...

 

Is the new HOLY TRINITY now…Ferrari F80, McLaren W1, Chevy Corvette ZR1X?

These 3 cars need to share the same test track as soon as humanly possible.

 

With all due respect, the Corvette does not belong in this company.

Maybe an SF90, AM Valhalla rival at best. It’s a Corvette people.

 

Don't be such a brand snob.

Based on the metrics (hp, tq, downforce, etc.), the ZR1X definitely belongs in that holy trinity grouping.

 

The F80's/W1's competitors are the Tourbillon, the Jesko and the likes of them. Apart from Americans no one in the rest of the world cares for Corvette.

 

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What is puzzling you? The notion that that the rest of the world exists?

 

a base model Honda Accord will easily eclipse any posted speed limit anywhere in the world … therefore no one should need or purchase anything faster?

Sound is subjective. I think it sounds great. There is an element of ego in EVERY car of this magnitude! Why buy a 296VS since the 296 is already unusable to your point? And, seriously, why even buy a 296 since a 15 year old 458 is every bit as unusable by your definition? Keep it going and once again anyone who buys anything more than an Accord is just a poseur!

I think what you mean to say is that YOU would have preferred a less powerful car with no batteries and less weight, with a V12, which is a perfectly valid opinion … yet still entirely unusable.

 

The ZR1X ticks a LOT of boxes in the hyper car realm. I think it would acquit itself well. And as I have stated in other posts, the ZR1X SHOULD have at least looked different than the other variants. The fact that its a “Corvette” is actually pretty astounding.

 

only if it had a louder sound

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I noticed one thing on the F80 that is very weird. It has this boost optimisation thing, Even when using launch control the car did not use 100% boost, but more like 60ish% from the electric components in the 0-200pull. During a hot lap it would cut the electric boost almost completely just a bit over 200kph and would not boost 100% EVER even in quali mode.

 

Tire can not handle maybe.

 

Emotion is also created visually - in fact, that's what you have the vast majority of the time during ownership. If you've ever taken the lower covers off a V12 car and stared at that giant V12 block with the exposed rows of main bolts its absolutely scary. A train engine with a car wrapped around it. To me, that is or was the essence of Ferrari. A diminutive V6 and indeed no sound is not what I would say is filled with emotion. But I really like the suspension and the brakes. The body styling is typical Manzoni mish-mash.

 

That does not mean there is a causal relationship between the two. I could also argue that people who employ the services of a driving instructor by definition are not be people who are great drivers. I would also argue that people who buy cheaper cars can’t easily afford to employ a driving/race instructor.

Saying that the wealthier the people, the more expensive the car, the worse the driving skill is, is equivalence to claiming that as people earn more money in their lives and buy better cars they become worse drivers!