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355 Loss of brake pressure while driving

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  1. Skippr1999

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    Today, my son and I were out for a nice mountain drive and experienced something very disconcerting. The brake pedal started going to the floor!

    I could pump the brakes back up to a degree, but they would soon go back to the floor. When we stopped the car to inspect, there was a distinct burning smell as well. No other abnormalities.

    It’s possible my son left the parking brake engaged for a few miles as we drove on the Blue Ridge Parkway.

    Very lucky the brakes didn’t go out on the roads we had been “enjoying” 15 minutes sooner.

    We ended up limping home with barely any brakes. Any ideas on what to look for?

    The fluid reservoir is full.

    Thanks for any insight.
     
  2. Mitch Alsup

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    Pads,
    fluid on pads,
    fluid on rotors,
    a qualified mechanic.
     
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  3. Skippr1999

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    Getting towed there soon.
     
  4. johnk...

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    Sounds like a master cylinder.
     
  5. Skippr1999

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    Thanks John. Was hoping I could avoid having it towed two hours away, but that’s probably the best thing to do. It’s due for a major service anyway
     
  6. Skippr1999

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    Another symptom other than lack of brake pressure, and the burning smell, was I got a check engine light for a bit that went away on its own after turning the car off and on. Usually, I have to get out a scanner to extinguish a check engine light. Does that add any more information to the equation? that’s helpful
     
  7. JoeCab

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    What year is the car? the Teves and Bosch are very different systems with different failure modes.

    Initial symptoms do sound like classic overheated brakes (possibly from partly engaged parking brake), but the fact that they didn't come back when they cooled suggests there is another problem...
     
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  9. Skippr1999

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    Joe, You saved the day. I had not tested the car again today after letting the system cool down. I went out to the garage and now have a firm brake pedal. It was just raining so I only drove in the driveway for a minute and will go test it tomorrow out on the roads. Thank you very much For your comments. It looks like you saved me $700 in towing charges !

    So it looks like driving 3 or 4 miles on the Blue Ridge Parkway with your parking brake engaged will give you classic symptoms of overheated brakes.
     
  10. m.stojanovic

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    It seems that your brake fluid boiled causing the sinking of the brake pedal. This especially happens if the brake fluid has absorbed a lot of moisture which significantly lowers the fluid boiling point. When did you last flush/replace the brake fluid in your 355?
     
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  11. fatbillybob

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    Sounds like you need a bleed at minimum. I'd be doing a complete flush if the fluid is over 1 yr old. When it gets hot the soft pedal might return. Overheating rears with parking brake and having to limp home with sketch brakes seems weird. You did not boil fronts you should have braking. More typical is boiling front brakes from heavy driving. We see that under track conditions all the time but it should never happen at road speeds.
     
  12. Skippr1999

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    Thanks for the reply guys. I’m at my vacation home right now and don’t know the exact date of the last flush, but it was within two years. Moto RBF 600. we were only going about 35 miles an hour on the parkway for those 4 miles. I’m going for a drive in the morning and will let y’all know more.
     
  13. m.stojanovic

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    Motul RBF 600 (or 660) is a racing brake fluid. The advantage of a racing brake fluid is that it has a high boiling point (when fresh). However, this fluid will absorb moisture faster than the standard brake fluid so, in order to keep its boiling point high, it needs to be flush-replaced more often. I would do it every 6 months or so.
     
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  14. Skippr1999

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    Had a great drive this morning and all is well with the brakes. Thanks to those who gave insight. Don’t drive with the parking brake on, Word !
     
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  15. Alden

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    Don't you have a red indicator light on the dash that lets you know when the parking brake is engaged? I have one on my 3.2 Mondial.
    Alden
     
  16. Skippr1999

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    Yes. I was over in the passenger seat letting my son drive. His first time and wasn’t aware.
     
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  17. fatbillybob

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    At the very least bleed the brakes. You have compromised the brake fluid at the caliper level from overheat and boil. Call you mechanic and tell him your story. It's a safety issue.
     
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    Parking brake on the 355 uses shoes inside the drum and do not use any component of the service brakes. Parking brake left on isnt going to affec the service brakes.
     
  19. Portofino

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    Yeh , ( 348 owner here same set up brake wise ) I am struggling to grasp too how the shoes can heat the rotor enough moving only a few miles as reported.
    They either jammed on functioning, or loose letting the wheel roll .

    If they do stick , let’s call it that then all they do is create a bit of black dust ( blows out of the adjustment hole and maybe squeal a bit .Granted the engine noise might drown the squeal?

    Not convinced the heat generated by a sticky shoe is enough to be transferred through the pads , heat the metal mass of the callipers to boil the fluid .
    As said if the hand brake wasn’t released the car wouldn’t move you would notice it .

    As far as the light on the dash …..vue a ability depends on the steering wheel position and size of the guy driving .
    Also the switch ( at the rear of the handle hidden away ) is a bit fickle .

    The son probably doesn’t know how to use “ on the fly handbrake s “
    You have to push the button in , hold it in all the way as you lift up to release and still hold it in while you drop it down .
    If you accidentally take your thumb off the button on the down stroke the light stays on and sometimes depending how far you got the handle down , the shoes don’t properly release . They stick a bit .

    Aston Martins are the same btw .

    There’s a knack to operating “ on the fly “ handbrakes / parking brakes .

    Possibly if you do a 300 mile tank emptying high speed run circa 100 mph + for 3 hours in one stint - then ok partial engaged shoes might just heat up enough to vaporise the brake fluid . I get the theoretical potential. But this wasn’t this type of drive .Assuming you didn’t notice the dash light mind !
     

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