I love this car too much and followed it lovingly. I still believe one day I will buy one. While it may still rise we are not talking a great deal. The Speciale will increase much more than the 458 but again in good time for it to be worthwhile when you take into consideration maintenance costs. During covid 458 Speciale's were between £450k - £600k. Today they are between £300k & £400k. I think they will need to be at least 20 years old before they rise significantly. It is also true that asking and selling prices are always different at a higher level. A small increase of where we are at now is insignificant but owners jump for joy at any increase not taking into account what has been spent on the car. The situation is even worse if it has been financed as the price you have paid is actually car + cost of credit. Some people rave about a 5% increase like they are on acid at the hacienda in manchester in the late 80's even though they have the car on finance and have had varying maintenance costs taking away any increase. I have been saying for years the 458 will go up in price, it just hasn't or at least not remotely significantly. Certainly in the UK. We can come back to this thread in 5 years and see where prices are.
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Imagine being a small market country and right hand driving no less while opining on the global market. The UK auto market is literally and figuratively an "island" of its own. UK prices always trend lower than even in Europe where left hand drive is the standard like much of the world. Top speed too low for your liking? . The UK has some of the worst roads for top speed driving in all of the Western world. I'd feel uncomfortable driving over 120 mph on any road in the UK, even its very best motorways. B roads in the UK, while scenery is attractive, are not modern roads and have potholes you can see through to middle Earth.
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What's interesting is actually how wrong you are. We are well aware this is an Island, but you are talking like it's the Isle of Man. Not hard to get up to high speeds here. 120mph is jack, this also shows how little you actually know. Youngsters drive well over these speeds. The amount of times the mrs hits that in her merc and doesn't realise, but why would you believe me. Seriously 120mph here is laughable. Indeed people here often pop over to Germany and have a blast on the autobahn to avoid any issues, like losing your licence. Better to keep such driving on a track anywhere though. Even the poll results are even. 52% down & 48% up. Left hand drive cars here are cheaper than right. 458 prices are not up.
I lived in Swansea for 12 years and have traveled all throughout Britain. You can homer for it all you want, but it won't change the facts. We have 9 states in the US bigger than Britain and the potholes are the only notable and unique qualities of UK roads. UK is world famous for its potholes and you need to go over 200 mph. When I lived in the UK, it was common that the average British citizen had no idea how small the UK is. 50 miles to the average British person was a long way to travel daily. We have roads that are 3,000+ miles long in the US. The A1 in Britain, perhaps its best motorway, is only 410 miles and we probably have several hundred roads longer than that in the US. Yet a top speed of 202 mph is plenty for the US with its larger, longer and better motorways than the UK's.
indeed, you know everything and everyone in the UK, all roads, all potholes in 12 years. You are totally right each road has a pothole and 120mph is a problem! Swansea is a huge town, not in the sticks at all! It also has not changed at all since the day you left, just for you. None of what you said means 120mph is a problem. Many drive much faster, 120mph is just not that fast these days. Going North, near me there is the M6 turn off on the M1. There are no cameras for quite a stretch and high speeds are easy. I am not recommending this to anyone, I am just saying it is possible and as soon as the M6 turns off people generally hammer it. It's far from the only place, it's local and common to me. 16 years ago I got a month ban in my 911, the feds were surprisingly nice to me admitting if I had gone for it they would not been able to catch me, they only caught up when I slowed down well in advance for an exit. Must have been car guys themselves. If you know, you know. But I must be wrong as you know everything, every pothole, every road... It's not like you got any of your info from google. I wonder why we have speed limits on motorways here? It's not like we never had one, after all 120 is a problem. I would strongly suggest you do not try high speeds on the A1. That would be dangerous. But correct me...again. Does it take you 100 miles to get to 100mph?
Of course, because that is EXACTLY what I wrote. . Yep, been down that intersection and no, no one is going 200 mph. How did I know you weren't a Ferrari owner based on your reasoning that the 458 was too slow I won't but that is your best motorway in terms of road conditions.
The A1 has 2 lanes, it is dangerous to drive at speed. You could do 200mph there. Where the turn of is there is a long straight stretch. Many people put there foot down exactly there as there are no cameras. Even if you don't, you see many others that do put there foot down. I drive an F8, 911 in the past. I don't want to speculate as you have, but you do not know the UK as you think and seem to have got your info from google.
There are 1000 miles of roads just in TX alone that are two lane that you may see a dozen or more autos during that entire stretch that you could easily stretch a car out to 200 mph without any reasonable human caused risk. Not a single road or motorway in all of the UK can say the same. That's just one state in the US. If you own an F8, which the top speed is only 9 mph faster than the 458, you'd not be able to even perceive such an immaterial difference. What a daft argument against the 458, too slow top speed. Please.. The UK is a tiny little country, don't try to extend your experience there to anywhere else.
Of course you are always right. But you still cannot drive fast on the A1 in the UK. Texas got nothing to do with the UK. You can do 200mph on the M1 though, but you claim you can't!! This alone says a lot. Everyone in the UK will agree and know that you know nothing about the UK. Swansea boy! Cos everyone in the UK thinks of the fast roads in Swansea, where the DVLA are based!! in 1964 a guy did 180mph on the M1 in an AC Cobra which is one of the reasons they introduced speed limits. You can do 200mph on the M1 and many of the M motorways here. You know very little about the UK. I agree the UK is small, but you are talking like it's the Isle of Man and are just wrong. Also give your ego a break. Small man syndrome. Accept it, don't but you are still wrong. It is still not recommended or safe but you can do 200mph in the UK. Take it to the track. You moaned about 120mph though!!! Also Germany is not far. So many people take their cars and drive to Germany. You know, like driving from one part of the US to another... that is the same distance. 120mph is easy, anyone in the UK will tell you this. Alcohol is not your friend. I do own an F8, fact. I wanted a 458 for many years but wasnt' happy that the 911 Turbo S did 205mph. In the end I beat myself up and bought the F8 as i've had a few Porsches. I would still get a 458 but it's a different machine to the F8, I also want a very specific 458, the one that goes up in value significantly, sadly this never happened. Older tech, less reliable, slower (whether perceivable or not) not as good looking but the 458 was the first sexy ferrari on the inside and out. Perception has nothing to do with it otherwise you could use that argument against any other car that does over 200mph to what you 'claim' is perceivable. 211mph is faster than 202mph. It's slower than all mclarens (except the 540C). My choice of Mclaren was a 720S over any other due to top speed being higher than the others. The point is the F8 is a fair bit faster than the 458 which is why I bought it and one very good reason why many people buy such cars is their top speed.
I gotta say, you are the first person I've ever heard even mention top speed as a consideration when choosing a car.
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I must be weird then, at first I wanted a 911 Turbo S, after having a few Porsches I decided I should go for something different. Then I decided I really want something that was faster than the 205mph top speed of the turbo S. This put the Huracan on the back burner but paved the way for most Mclarens. The 720S was in my price range but the panel gaps, reliability and lack of any buttons on the steering wheel put me off. The 720S would have been much cheaper. Last minute the Ferrari F8 became interesting. Comes with 2 yr dealer warranty as opposed to 1yr with Lambo and 2 yr free servicing. The most expensive of all choices but it is also a different league than Porsche. Now owning I cannot go anywhere without being stopped or people shouting ferrari or taking pics. It has been thrilling since the day I got it. When I saw the car I only went to look at it to learn about the spec, I really wanted a red one. When it was in front of me I melted. The top speed was way up on the list of importance. When people talk about the car it is always mentioned. Imagine being so unique that i'm the only person you know to consider the top speed when buying a 200mph car! Personally I don't think that I am that unique. I don't get how you don't see that it could be a consideration for someone, seems very reasonable to me. I know someone who just wanted a car that did over 200mph, wanted to spend as little as possible so he bought a 12C for a fair bit under £100k. This was just before I bought this. As weird as I am i'm still not wrong about the UK, speeds and the motorways. Taking out safety getting to 200mph is possible. Many motorways have cameras but some don't and the ones that do, not in all parts. M1, M40. Even the M25 and M20 were great back in the day for high speed runs. M25 is now a car park with 300 cameras per mile and I'm sure the M20 has plenty of cameras. Many of these motorways have been resurfaced and extended. 120mph are just the kids playing.
I guess this didn't happen then. I'm sure there is at least one more if you look. This was in an Audi and I am man enough and reasonable and realistic enough to even admit he still didn't hit 200mph but that the car indicates he did. You would argue this with the guy, I would still give him credit. This is not the first or last time. Kinda proves 200mph is possible in the tiny little insignificant UK. We had a meeting when you left, don't come back! That's my 30 litres of fuel from the garage gone. So even with the 12 years you lived in Swansea, you didn't learn much. Swansea is also the home of the DVLA, moving there and expecting to be ok with driving fast says a lot in itself. I guess you didn't know that when you moved there for 12 years. We had another meeting, everyone concurs that driving fast and moving to Swansea is not a good idea. Did border patrol not inform you when you entered the UK. Apologies but this is great fun people. I love everyone and especially the many people who have been helpful to me in my purchase and questions from the US. I appreciate those people very much. I say give the 458 another minimum 5 to 10 years to increase significantly beyond maintenance and such costs. This is after saying it would increase in value for over 5 years. The Speciale will increase much more than the 458. Actually now I realise that if i were to buy a 458 it would have to be the Speciale.
Unless the car is modified, it didn't get above 168 mph realistically. Up until a couple of months ago, I owned an RSQ8. Same engine. But that is nitpicking on my part. I'm a dual citizen. It is daft to choose top speed as a reason to buy a car, especially in the UK. There are very few opportunities to use it, no matter where you live but to say you're going to routinely be doing 200 mph on a UK road would be lunacy. The UK simply doesn't have the road network to take advantage of it.
I was gonna say the same last night but didn't want to propagate this conversation.... I also have never heard of a single person ever make a decision on a car based on top speed. Makes no sense. Anyone ever got there? I haven't. My F8 is 211, my 430 was 195 I think, my 458 was 202 or who the F knows. They're jsut stated numbers that none of us get to so it's completely irrelevant... What nearly ALL of us feel is 0-60, 0-100, 30-100, 60-150mph etc.. the pull, the torque, the acceleration... not the NUMBER it maxes at.
While I may concur, I respect there are diff reasons and priorities. I cannot fathom anyone liking 488 or F8 or 911 vacuum sports cars but respect there are peeps who don’t care about or who think those sound good and have diff priorities. I love all cars!
